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Old 10-04-2007, 06:31 PM
john kane john kane is offline
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Default wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

only had about 15 hands on opponent, he was running at 38/14 or something like that. no history i can remember but he will of seen me raising a lot pf.

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5 players, seat 8 is the button

Seat 1: <font color="#C80000">HERO</font> ($495.00)
Seat 3: UTG ($591.00)
Seat 6: CO ($276.90)
Seat 8: BTN ($505.55)
Seat 10: SB ($706.50)

SB posts small blind, $3.00
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> posts big blind, $6.00

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">HERO</font>:
J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG folds
CO folds
BTN raises to $12
SB folds
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> calls

Dealing flop: (Pot is $27.00)
8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> bets $24
BTN raises to $48
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> raises to $135
BTN raises to $252


so when he reraises:

pot: $414
to call: $117

effective stacks of $348, so if i shove im shoving for another $231 to put to him.

from my ropey maths by getting our chips in we need to be at least ahead 31%.

call or shove?


sorry this is probs really easy, just bugged me.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:34 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

The question here seems to be about YOU repping trips. You may or may not be sending that signal, but apparently, thats not a problem to him. He likely has 8x or 22 himself. If we use this as a range, and throw in higher club draws, this pretty much has to be a fold.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

If you're folding to a 4-bet, then don't 3 bet.
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

[ QUOTE ]
If you're folding to a 4-bet, then don't 3 bet.

[/ QUOTE ]
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:49 PM
ursine cotcher ursine cotcher is offline
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

A) You are being Yetied
B) He has 22/8x
C) He is a crackhead

One of the above. Tbh I think the question is push or fold, not call. I think I fold this.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:06 AM
EPiPeN11 EPiPeN11 is offline
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

[ QUOTE ]
A) You are being Yetied
B) He has 22/8x
C) He is a crackhead

One of the above. Tbh I think the question is push or fold, not call. I think I fold this.

[/ QUOTE ]

Villian can def have an overpair too.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:13 AM
john kane john kane is offline
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

thanks for the replies. i really could have done with extra time on this hand as it really did baffle me given i am very rarely in this type of situation.

i felt i had no fold equity by shoving, but yet felt i was just about getting odds especially if he checks behind on the turn.

as you'll see below, the turn card gave me a gutshot as well, i went all the way down on the time bar and then called. i almost all post hands where the player had a very good hands, so this could be a bit of a surprise.

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5 players, seat 8 is the button

Seat 1: <font color="#C80000">HERO</font> ($495.00)
Seat 3: UTG ($591.00)
Seat 6: CO ($276.90)
Seat 8: BTN ($505.55)
Seat 10: SB ($706.50)

SB posts small blind, $3.00
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> posts big blind, $6.00

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">HERO</font>:
J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG folds
CO folds
BTN raises to $12
SB folds
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> calls

Dealing flop: (Pot is $27.00)
8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> bets $24
BTN raises to $48
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> raises to $135
BTN raises to $252
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> calls

Dealing turn: (Pot is $531.00)
7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> checks
BTN is all-in $241.55
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> is all-in $231

Dealing river: (Pot is $1,003.55)
5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


Showdown: (Pot is $1,003.55)
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> has
J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BTN has
2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

thanks again for the replies.

i think most of the time he flips over an 8 or an overpair. these are the type of hands which makes any decision never as automatic as we'd like.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

awesome turn play dude
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:02 PM
JReezy JReezy is offline
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

i think i like a bigger 3bet. as played i think i'd fold, but i'd push with Ax clubs
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

You guys are seriously ok with 3-bet folding this board?

Someone please explain it to me
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