UZR Data Released for 2003-2007 (baseball defense stats)

kyleb · #1 07-07-2007, 02:06 AM

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...complete_list/

Check it out!

Some excerpts:

Best defenders from 2003-2007: (by runs_total)
1) Adam Everett, SS +113 (fking sick)
2) Brian Giles, RF +68
3) Carlos Beltran, CF +60
4) Scott Rolen, 3B +58
5) Grady Sizemore, CF +57

Worst defenders from 2003-2007: (by runs_total)
1) Manny Ramirez, LF -110 (lol)
2) Ken Griffey Jr., CF -75
3) Ty Wigginton, 3B -54
4) Derek Jeter, SS -51
5) Angel Berroa, SS -50

A notable mention is Manny Ramirez's 2005 season in left field where he was worth a staggering -47 runs, which is basically equivalent to the Red Sox losing four to five games on Manny's defense alone.

That is disgusting.

(also Michael Young sucks but I'm sure most of you knew that)

dontmesswithme · #2 07-07-2007, 02:22 AM

LOL Sizemore is top 5 and only been in the league since 04 and even then only 42 games. Sick sick super sick. The player you start a franchise right now.

kyleb · #3 07-07-2007, 02:55 AM

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LOL Sizemore is top 5 and only been in the league since 04 and even then only 42 games. Sick sick super sick. The player you start a franchise right now.

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Agreed. Anytime his name is mentioned, I love thinking about his contract:

Grady Sizemore of
6 years/$23.45M (2006-11), plus $8.5M 2012 club option

So fkin sick.

Kos13 · #4 07-07-2007, 07:49 AM

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LOL Sizemore is top 5 and only been in the league since 04 and even then only 42 games. Sick sick super sick. The player you start a franchise right now.

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Agreed. Anytime his name is mentioned, I love thinking about his contract:

Grady Sizemore of
6 years/$23.45M (2006-11), plus $8.5M 2012 club option

So fkin sick.

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It's a good time to be a Tribe fan. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Thanks for the link...I hadn't heard of any breakthrough fielding studies since Neyer recommended I pick up The Fielding Bible about 18 months ago. This looks like good stuff.

Pudge714 · #5 07-07-2007, 09:49 AM

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LOL Sizemore is top 5 and only been in the league since 04 and even then only 42 games. Sick sick super sick. The player you start a franchise right now.

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Agreed. Anytime his name is mentioned, I love thinking about his contract:

Grady Sizemore of
6 years/$23.45M (2006-11), plus $8.5M 2012 club option

So fkin sick.

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I remember last year having an argument with my friends (Jays fans) that Sizemore>>>>>>>>> Wells. Nobody believed me. How much variance is there in the 2007 results? Because Adam Lind has looked pretty awkward in LF getting a lot of bad reads on balls, etc.

pudley4 · #6 07-07-2007, 12:07 PM

There's a problem with some of the totals listed. Look at Griffey - he shows up twice in the totals list, under two different names. If you look at the individual season totals, he's also listed under two names (Ken Griffey Jr for 2003-2005 and Ken Griffey for 2006-2007). Add those seasons together and you get -119 total runs, worse than Manny. He's also averaged -44 runs/150 games or worse every single season. Manny's worst was -42 runs/150 games. Bonds is only -16 total runs (-6/150 games)

Kos13 · #7 07-07-2007, 12:19 PM

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There's a problem with some of the totals listed. Look at Griffey - he shows up twice in the totals list, under two different names. If you look at the individual season totals, he's also listed under two names (Ken Griffey Jr for 2003-2005 and Ken Griffey for 2006-2007). Add those seasons together and you get -119 total runs, worse than Manny. He's also averaged -44 runs/150 games or worse every single season. Manny's worst was -42 runs/150 games. Bonds is only -16 total runs (-6/150 games)

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It has a couple errors. I think I saw Coco Crisp on their twice, too (once as Covelli).

EDIT: I'm too lazy to look, but I just realized Coco and Griffey have both changed positions between 2003 and 2007. I'm guessing each listing is for a specific position.

MinRaise · #8 07-08-2007, 11:22 AM

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LOL Sizemore is top 5 and only been in the league since 04 and even then only 42 games. Sick sick super sick. The player you start a franchise right now.

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I was under the impression that a lot of metrics have Sizemore as a poor or average fielder. Interesting that this metric puts him among the elite.

SL__72 · #9 07-08-2007, 02:48 PM

I always though third was more difficult but 2nd required more athleticism if that makes any sense. At third you have to make a lot of snap decisions, diving stops, long throws and field bunts. At 2nd you need to run around a lot more and turn double plays.

vhawk01 · #10 07-08-2007, 03:34 PM

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I always though third was more difficult but 2nd required more athleticism if that makes any sense. At third you have to make a lot of snap decisions, diving stops, long throws and field bunts. At 2nd you need to run around a lot more and turn double plays.

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I'm with kyle, I played 3B in HS, and got moved to 2B in college. 2B is a lot easier, IMO, and I'm surprised to find out that the data/ranking systems disagree.