gawd, weakest over pair...

mudbuddha · #1 10-19-2006, 03:32 PM

i just sat down at this table...
no reads..
okay 1 read. he's KINDA aggro, got stacked off vs trips i dont know what he had..
so it could be faulty read..

6 max. NL100
Hero is button wiht 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

effective stacks $100

2 limpers..
Hero Raises to $6
SB and MP call..

flop comes [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
BB checks, MP bets $10
Hero calls with position..

turn comes 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP bets $20
Hero.. just calls.. again donkey.

River comes Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
MP bets $20

Hero???

what range of hands do you think he has?
do i have fold equity here?

Paul Thomson · #2 10-19-2006, 03:37 PM

that's funny. i posted a similar hand a second ago.

PF: I like a call. No need to raise here.
Flop: I don't know it's close (only because he limpoed called)...I guess a call is fine.
TURN: I fold.
River: I fold.

mudbuddha · #3 10-19-2006, 03:42 PM

why wouldn't u raise here? preflop

xwillience · #4 10-19-2006, 03:48 PM

i think on the river you have to call. your getting 4:1.

if your worried about 88/99, could consider raising the river to push them out?

orange · #5 10-19-2006, 04:08 PM

I would fold the turn typically. Even if villan is bluffing (w. something like 88), he still has you beat.

mudbuddha · #6 10-19-2006, 04:11 PM

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i think on the river you have to call. your getting 4:1.

if your worried about 88/99, could consider raising the river to push them out?

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thats what i figured. I thought a Q was a good river to shove on especially after his weak bet (aka same bet on turn and river thats usually weakness right?)

I use that to draw action from creative players alot.. i was just hoping this wasnt one of them..

any thoughts on this?

xwillience · #7 10-19-2006, 04:14 PM

I think that if your going to fold, the turn is the place to do it. i thought abotu raising the flop but it doesnt seem like that great of an idea to me.

if im sticking out the hand its probably to bluff at a later street and I think that Q is a great card although a A/K would be better.

Hince · #8 10-19-2006, 04:23 PM

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i think on the river you have to call. your getting 4:1.

if your worried about 88/99, could consider raising the river to push them out?

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If the river were a king or ace, I think this would be a better bluff raise. 88+ will still look you up here.

OP, I think the flop call is fine, but raising may make the hand easier and cheaper to play.

viper930 · #9 10-19-2006, 04:31 PM

raising from the button is standard here.

Paul Thomson · #10 10-19-2006, 04:37 PM

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why wouldn't u raise here? preflop

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You're getting good odds to limp. If you raise and get called in a couple places, than it's the suck. Most flops will be hard to play if you don't flop a set, even though you will have position.