I c/f an overpair

shpanko · #1 11-02-2007, 02:45 AM

Villain is 16/13 over 600 hands, i have 22/17 image. Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $198
CO: $205
BTN: $238.60
SB: $439.70
BB: $475.10
UTG: $260.15

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $10, CO calls $10, 2 folds, BB calls $8, UTG folds

Flop: ($33) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $23, CO calls $23, BB folds

Turn: ($79) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $60, Hero folds

Results: $79 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $76 (+$43 NET)

Chaos_ult · #2 11-02-2007, 02:45 AM

sjf;g;l

Novles · #3 11-02-2007, 02:47 AM

Doubt you're gonna like the responses you get but I've certainly done this occassionaly when the combination of image, flow, timing, etc. just makes it feel like a fold.

Chaos_ult · #4 11-02-2007, 02:48 AM

Definitely agree lots of spots like this are flow dependent.

On the surface it seems really bad though.

tarheeljks · #5 11-02-2007, 03:04 AM

looks bad in a vacuum and you haven't given any reads to justify it.

LT22 · #6 11-02-2007, 03:05 AM

3 ways maybe, but he has AJ/KJ/QJ and mid pairs enuf here to call

shpanko · #7 11-02-2007, 03:20 AM

Yeah I think I should've just b/f'ed here instead of c/f. His cold call percentage was ridiculously low though (0.6) so I felt like his range for cold calling was mainly pocket pairs. I was going to c/c the turn and then re-evaluate on the river but then he bet a fairly large amount and it seemed he really wanted to get stacks in so I folded.

So yeah you guys like a b/f muc much better yeah? I mean I doubt he'd be raising worse.

Keyser. · #8 11-02-2007, 10:43 AM

If you're going to check I prefer c/f to c/c actually, mainly because of reverse implied odds vs. this nit. Like I doubt he's shoving most rivers if he can't beat QQ, and you'll be in a tough spot there and generally only lose more money instead of win more.

but still b/f is quite a bit better since I think he will be predictable with his actions and let you know if you need to fold after you bet, and at the same time you'll get value against his AJ w/ club type hands.