Strat Theory Post - light 3-better

[MyironThumb]

Hey, I just wondered whats people thoughts on this situation. I think I play pretty bad in re raised pots and I am trying to sort that out so I am just running through a few thoughts. This is probably easy stuff though..

Say its folded round to you and you decided make a standard raise, then a tag/lagish re pops you. He has posistion on you and you know that his 3 betting range is pretty light. I.e somthing like 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s. first of all, regardless of your hand, how often do you think its correct to play back at them and make a 4-bet. do you think its too high varience to start 4betting/shoving with any 2 because you think he is weak? Or if your hand is above his range, does anyone call and try play pokerr. Or is this just bad play to be calling a 3bet OOP.

for example, its folded around to you in the cut off and you have AQ, you make a standard raise and the button 3 bets you. his range for 3 betting is somthing like yours,(like 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s maybe?) what % of time are people folding, calling, 4-betting?

Also how does your %'s change when you have posistion on him. say you open from cut off and he re pops from the SB. is calling best here?

thanks. sorry its tl;dr lol

[lucky_mf]

I tighten up my opening standards and start 4-betting (not necessarily 4-bet pushing) or I change tables. I don't really like calling very much OOP but I will do so with a pair sometimes the intent of check-raising the flop occasionally. I really don't like just calling in position either, the reason being is that I'm going to miss a lot of flops and he is going to bet 90% of the time. This leaves me making a play for a lot of chips or folding, neither of which is a particularly attractive option. I will call with hands like TT and JJ though and hope for a low card flop.

Lucky

[MyironThumb]

Cheers lucky, some good advice

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or I change tables.


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I think this is probably what I should just be doing. with a light 3 better on my left this is probably the correct thing to do.

What sort of flop are you looking to be c/r'ing with if you do call with a pp, and dont hit your set? I dont really do this much

[K䲰䮥n]

n/m

[ValarMorghulis]

"Change tables"
I hate this advice. I'd prefer to learn to play poker better rather than avoiding situations I don't like. If the table is good in other spots you should be able to handle a tough opponent even if he is on your left. Plus, if you want to move up you should learn to beat tough opponents at your present limit.

3betting that range is not that light. 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s. It's only 13% of hands. If you only get 3bet 13% of the time you are probably winning the blinds most of the other times. One thing is to realise that you're not losing money by folding most of the time to 3bets. So fold most of the time.

I mix up calling and 4betting both with premiums and with other types of hands. But there should be a heavy weighting of premiums because you don't want to end up in a big pot with trash too often.

[orange]

call and shove nice flops with any sort of draw (ie. gutshot + BDFD and an over or something like that). ie. AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on a T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board or something like that. or like A5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or whatever.

[K䲰䮥n]

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I will call with hands like TT and JJ though and hope for a high card flop so that I can dump my TT/JJ instead of going broke against QQ+ all the [censored] time god damnit, show me some mercy PP!

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FYP

[steel108]

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Hey, I just wondered whats people thoughts on this situation. I think I play pretty bad in re raised pots and I am trying to sort that out so I am just running through a few thoughts. This is probably easy stuff though..

Say its folded round to you and you decided make a standard raise, then a tag/lagish re pops you. He has posistion on you and you know that his 3 betting range is pretty light. I.e somthing like 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s. first of all, regardless of your hand, how often do you think its correct to play back at them and make a 4-bet. do you think its too high varience to start 4betting/shoving with any 2 because you think he is weak? Or if your hand is above his range, does anyone call and try play pokerr. Or is this just bad play to be calling a 3bet OOP.

for example, its folded around to you in the cut off and you have AQ, you make a standard raise and the button 3 bets you. his range for 3 betting is somthing like yours,(like 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s maybe?) what % of time are people folding, calling, 4-betting?

Also how does your %'s change when you have posistion on him. say you open from cut off and he re pops from the SB. is calling best here?

thanks. sorry its tl;dr lol

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That range is not light. BTW, I 3bet you ALOT bc you always fold.

Yesterday, La Jolla sat at a table and had position on me. Son of a bitch kept three betting me. I called a few 3 bets with bascially any two and just played poker. I CRAI twice on the flop where he folded and you know.... he didn't 3 bet me again for the next hour. THATS RESPECT

[cbloom]

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3 betting range is pretty light. I.e somthing like 77+, A10+, KQs, 10Js, possibly 910,89s.


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LOL at anyone who thinks this isn't light. Sometimes I don't even open that many hands [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] If you're like 17/15 or so, then the "equilibrium" 3-bet range is about 6%.

I think the games would be very different if you all could see RR% like I can. Light 3-betters can't get away with it so easily because any hud-bot can see it. Obviously the hud-bots will still be retarded and not adjust so you can still pwn them by changing gears and playing different than your stats suggest.

[Barrin6]

CTS never changes games if someone 3 bets them light. So why should I?