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Old 11-10-2007, 06:08 PM
gehrig gehrig is offline
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30/60 hu i don't know anything about this guy except he raises most of his buttons and has done some pretty stupid postflop things but not enough for me to get much of an idea of how he plays

i raise q2o he call

k52r he cr i call
turn a he checks i check?
river a he bets quick i fold?
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:32 PM
Ian J Ian J is offline
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I would think a turn bet with that being the last $ you put in would be good. If he bluff c/r flop then you protect your hand and likely win it there, and you never get bluffed like you may have here. River idk, seems close.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:36 PM
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I'd call the river... dry board good for him to c/r on a pure bluff. I could see him stabbing again the river pretty easily. Def close tho.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:33 AM
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I would think a turn bet with that being the last $ you put in would be good. If he bluff c/r flop then you protect your hand and likely win it there, and you never get bluffed like you may have here. River idk, seems close.

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i dont really like folding to a turn cr

and checking turn saves money if he checks river with a five too since im not value betting
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:43 AM
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honestly gehrig im curious how u make ur money. 99% of hu players show this hand down. im not a hu player and am a loser to all but the worst. not even the bad. i need to play the worse.

but where do you make the money. what is it you do better than the rest?
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:32 AM
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Most people check the turn "defensivly" in this spot.
It is an explotiable maneuver that many people do not balance.

Most people will two barrel all their bluffs on this type of turn so when they check the turn their range is almost entirely composed of weak made hands and strong hands planning to checkraise.
You are beating basically no hands against this profile.

Against this exploitable common behaviour its a fold.

However, you are going to be checking behind a lot of your garbage in this spot, so if you ever have an opponent capable of leveling you, or checking the turn planning to c/r bluff air.. folding this hand will be folding way too much of your range.

People on average play exploitably enough for this to be probabily a fold in a vacuum...

If im trying to find out his tendencies ill def call this.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:38 AM
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btw i fold here and and dont think twice and i lose a ton. like i lose always. so when i dunno.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:41 AM
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Most people will two barrel all their bluffs on this type of turn so when they check the turn their range is almost entirely composed of weak made hands and strong hands planning to checkraise.
You are beating basically no hands against this profile.


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no
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:34 PM
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30/60 hu i don't know anything about this guy except he raises most of his buttons and has done some pretty stupid postflop things but not enough for me to get much of an idea of how he plays

i raise q2o he call

k52r he cr i call
turn a he checks i check?
river a he bets quick i fold?

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I don't think you win if he bets the river. IMO his turn check says "bet that ace if you want, but i didn't want you raising me and i ain't folding"
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:40 PM
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me likes.

it really just looks like he has a 5 or K and just afraid of the ace but still wants to showdown.

obviously close though, or you wouldn't be asking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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