New Bellagio NL Rule - The Betting Line

MaverickUSC · #1 02-15-2007, 08:30 AM

So I was playing Bellagio 5-10 NL and fired $90 into the pot in a clear, forward motion, making a nice line of nine chips extending from my position, all in front of my cards and hands. The dealer said, "That's only an $80 bet." He then explained that the line on the new felts are betting lines, and any chips not across the line do not count as bets. I declared [censored], called a floor, and he ruled that my bet stood.

A few hands later, the same floor returned, apologized, and said that he made the wrong ruling... IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN $80 BET. The tables discusses how retarded this is, and I talk to Skip the supervisor at the time. They know me pretty well there and know about my writing and everything so I get a decent amount of respect, but my opinions meant nothing in this case.

Thus, you could push your entire stack forward, about eight inches to the betting line, not cross a chip over the line, wait for an opponent's play, and then make your play... still in turn.

Retarded... and heads up when playing there.

Devo

youtalkfunny · #2 02-15-2007, 08:57 AM

I can't understand why somebody would put a bet "almost" over the line ($80 of $90). Even if no rule was attached to that line, the mere existence of the line is asking you to get your chips into the middle part of the table.

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They know me pretty well there and know about my writing and everything so I get a decent amount of respect,

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Frankly, when it comes to rules and procedures, I can't respect the opinion of anybody who cuts out a huge bet into two-chip piles. I deal with such players every day, and have yet to meet one who has sufficient B&M experience to really know what he's talking about when it comes to rules and procedures.

SpeciesFlora · #3 02-15-2007, 09:19 AM

I assume that would not apply if you announce your bet amount first?

RR · #4 02-15-2007, 09:52 AM

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Thus, you could push your entire stack forward, about eight inches to the betting line, not cross a chip over the line, wait for an opponent's play, and then make your play... still in turn.

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This is what most other places that have experimented with a betting line have found. That being said it shouldn't be much of a burden to get the chips over the line.

tom10167 · #5 02-15-2007, 10:06 AM

The thing that pisses me off about stuff like this more than anything is oh, yeah, we changed the rule, but we didn't tell you, all the staff knows(A step above FW anyways) though.

You had to find out the hard way and got off light, I could see this really [censored] a hand up though.

Phil Van Sexton · #6 02-15-2007, 10:27 AM

Paul Phillips complained about this rule in tournaments almost 2 years ago: worst rule ever

He pointed out that this was inconsistent with their cash game rules. I guess they've "fixed" that.

rageotones · #7 02-15-2007, 10:44 AM

don't they know how not cool it is to actually anounce your bet OR put your chips into the middle in an organized fashion?

RR · #8 02-15-2007, 10:46 AM

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don't they know how not cool it is to actually anounce your bet OR put your chips into the middle in an organized fashion?

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The actual problem with a betting line is it introduces new angles. Now a player that wants to gauge a reaction can bring chips forward, but not cross the line with them.

rageotones · #9 02-15-2007, 11:13 AM

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don't they know how not cool it is to actually anounce your bet OR put your chips into the middle in an organized fashion?

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The actual problem with a betting line is it introduces new angles. Now a player that wants to gauge a reaction can bring chips forward, but not cross the line with them.

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how is this worse than leaving it up to the dealer's discretion whether or not the player moved their chips forward constituting a bet?

RR · #10 02-15-2007, 10:51 PM

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don't they know how not cool it is to actually anounce your bet OR put your chips into the middle in an organized fashion?

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The actual problem with a betting line is it introduces new angles. Now a player that wants to gauge a reaction can bring chips forward, but not cross the line with them.

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how is this worse than leaving it up to the dealer's discretion whether or not the player moved their chips forward constituting a bet?

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If a player moves forward and another player reacts to the motion the motion is binding.