Opponent comes alive on the river..respect or valuetown?

[Punker]

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BTN: $583.75
SB: $208.15
BB: $233
Hero (UTG): $373.20
MP: $431.95
CO: $284.85

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls $2

<font color="black">Flop:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4

<font color="black">Turn:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($17, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls $8

<font color="black">River:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($33, 2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets $15</font>, <font color="red">Hero?

[the machine]

whats up with the weak bets all the way.bet 7-9 on flop and 13-17 on turn. as for river its totally read dependent. do you have any stats to work with

[Casper05]

just call the river. your bet sizing sucks.

[Lurker.]

does anyone check this flop? bet sizing is bad as previously stated.

[DanJ.]

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does anyone check this flop? bet sizing is bad as previously stated.

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I never check the flop here.

[Lurker.]

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does anyone check this flop? bet sizing is bad as previously stated.

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I never check the flop here.

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okay, how come?

[HighEV]

It's hard to know where you are in the hand with the min-raise PF, and the bets that are less than 1/2 pot on the flop and the turn. 45 and a set are the only hands that beat you here, and with the size of the bet on the river, you need to at least call.

Raising is only good if your AQ is better than 50% against the distribution that your opponent will call your raise with. It's hard to imagine that you are better than 50% agaisnt the calling distribution...people tighten up a lot when it comes to facing a raise on the river, meaning that you have to have the image of a complete maniac for a raise to be a solid value play. (Of course, if your opponent just checked to you, a bet on the river would have been mandatory).

May Your EV Always Be Positive!

Tony Guerrera

[ibuckyourfutt]

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Raising is only good if your AQ is better than 50% against the distribution that your opponent will call your raise with.

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and what if he pushes on your raise?

[Punker]

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whats up with the weak bets all the way.

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(response to all in this thread) My opponent is almost certainly miles behind on this flop. Why should I bet the pot and convince him to fold if I can bet half the pot and milk him? I'm only giving 3-1 instead of 2-1. He's still very wrong to call with 5 outers and less, but more likely to make the mistake of doing it and imagining that he somehow has enough implied odds to try to draw out on me.

[the machine]

give us reads then to let us know this. as you posted your hand with no reads you basically told us hes an unknown, so we should be betting more because we have no idea of his holdings. and even if you are miles ahead betting weak can give alot of different hands great odds to call you, esp when you factor in implied odds

and he isnt that wrong to call with 5 outters. esp if its an unseen one like 97sooooted. and i do feel the implied odds are there, maybe not for a stack but def for a decent bet.