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Hi people,
i've been playing poker for a few months(online) and i have a question regarding outs. After the hole cards are dealt what happens to those cards that are folded. Are they returned back to the deck or put aside. If they are put aside, won't the results of your outs calculation be incorrect since the folded cards may contain one or more of your outs. Thanks |
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Yes they are put to the side and yes some of your outs may have been folded
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Quite simply:
There are known cards (your hole cards and the board cards) and unseen cards (ALL other cards)- it matters not where the unseen cards are- they are still unseen and hence unknown. |
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Poker Plan - although it is correct, that seems like an awkward way to answer the question. Your answer is making the assumption that if you did put the burn cards and discards at the bottom of the deck that you would never delve deep enough into the deck to get to them. At a ten handed table of Texas Hold Em, only 20 (hole cards) + 5 (board) + 3 (burn cards) = 28 are used, but if you had a non-standard home game with more players or if the game was seven stud, then your assumption may be less valid.
I think that the question is about replacement and the answer is no, there is no replacement. |
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Quite simply: There are known cards (your hole cards and the board cards) and unseen cards (ALL other cards)- it matters not where the unseen cards are- they are still unseen and hence unknown. [/ QUOTE ] not all unseen cards are unknown. in very intense call/fold situations you need to think about the likely holdings that were folded just like you think about the likely holdings that remain live. |
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not all unseen cards are unknown. in very intense call/fold situations you need to think about the likely holdings that were folded just like you think about the likely holdings that remain live. [/ QUOTE ] I never thought about outs that way, but it makes a lot of sense to use your reads in yet another way to help you. Thanks for that. |
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[ QUOTE ] not all unseen cards are unknown. in very intense call/fold situations you need to think about the likely holdings that were folded just like you think about the likely holdings that remain live. [/ QUOTE ] I never thought about outs that way, but it makes a lot of sense to use your reads in yet another way to help you. Thanks for that. [/ QUOTE ] thats what im here for |
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It doesn't matter if your outs are in the deck or in the folded cards or in the burn cards. All cards that are unkown have equal status.
That's why it's important not to mention what you folded when a hand is in play. Then your unknown cards will change the calculations. For example, you hold 72 and fold. The flop comes up 772. You say "damn, I folded a full house". Now, whoever heard you knows that a 7 and a 2 are are out of play and can more precisely calculate his hand odds. This is obviously very bad etiquette at the poker table. Another similar situation is when you are in a hand and you show your neighbor (who is out of the hand) your hand and say your flush draw is too expensive so you have to fold. If some other player in the hand also has a flush draw he now knows that two of his outs are gone. Again, very bad. |
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It doesn't matter if your outs are in the deck or in the folded cards or in the burn cards. All cards that are unkown have equal status. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I was trying to say in my reply. Sorry to the OP if I misunderstood the nature of the question. |
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Since u dont know which cards are fold, u can assume they returned back to the deck.
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