16: Please grunch QQ vs a good regular

loxxii · #1 04-25-2007, 06:51 PM

This spot comes up frequently, so I would like to see everyone grunch so we can get a consensus standard.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero ?

Kevin8423 · #2 04-25-2007, 06:53 PM

I call and evaluate the flop. He is probably on AK+, JJ+. You're can probably get it in profitably on a non A or K flop.

loxxii · #3 04-25-2007, 06:58 PM

Ok here is the flop...

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t80, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: (t270) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero ?

Hand_Crasher · #4 04-25-2007, 07:05 PM

shove?

Kevin8423 · #5 04-25-2007, 07:06 PM

I think shoving is a profitable play here. He could have AA or KK, but he could also have JJ,QQ or be c-betting AK (though the bet is somewhat large).

malnek · #6 04-25-2007, 07:06 PM

i dont see a good regular leading pot with ak into multiway action so the only thing you beat imo is JJ. i'd fold this.

Heavens_Myst · #7 04-25-2007, 07:08 PM

I think we see a large continuation bet because he doesn't have the goods. I'd say push. If he has real nitty stats for the first few rounds, I would not however.

JayTee · #8 04-25-2007, 07:10 PM

against an unknown I assume that likelihood of JJ>>>>>>>>AA due to 4x raise preflop.

loxxii · #9 04-25-2007, 07:18 PM

Nice malnek my thoughts exactly, but when you are down to your last buyin after a weird downswing, you do not want to fold QQ on this flop.

I knew better and was so used to punishment from the odds gods that I was almost looking forward to this pity party. It's going to take forever for me to deposit since I cant do so from my VISA paytru card (wish I hadnt cashed out last week now), so I will take that time to clear my head, review some HHs, and sngicons it up.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t80, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: (t270) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t600, UTG raises to t1420 (All-in), Hero calls t820 (All-in)

Turn: (t3350) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3350) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Results in gray below:
UTG has Ad, Ah (a pair of Aces)
Hero has Qd, Qs (a pair of Queens)

Dont worry, I will stop ackin like a bitch on the first. Until then, its not Party, so I'll cry if I want to. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Kevin8423 · #10 04-25-2007, 07:21 PM

I still don't know that its a bad shove against your average 16s "good regular".