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Old 06-20-2007, 03:20 PM
squashington squashington is offline
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Default (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

BB and I had both been playing standard TAG and he seemed capable of laying down solid hands. In retrospect I'm not sure how I feel about my turn raise. If he flat calls and I blank the river my only hope of winning the pot is he folds to my river shove. But getting over 5:1 I don't see him folding if it comes down to that.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($5.80)
Hero ($98.75)
SB ($54.35)
BB ($104.45)
UTG ($58.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.75.

Flop: ($11.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7.5</font>, Hero calls $7.50.

Turn: ($26.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $51.5</font>
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:03 PM
ChieftanMews ChieftanMews is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

What about folding on the flop here?

Anyway, if he calls your turn raise I shutdown on the river, because I'm pretty sure he's not folding to your shove. I would only raise the turn here if villian has a high percentage of 3-barrels.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:27 PM
BevillTheDevil BevillTheDevil is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

if he is playin standard tag then your most likely behind pf so i might fold then buuuttt we are deep so i guess its ok...once i call tho im probably only lookin for set. If you think villian gives up on turns alot in these spots then you could maybe float and bet turn if shown weakness but thats probably gettin too fancy, id just fold the flop...but your turn line is spewy IMO, a standard tag is not takin this line w/o a set or overpair only hands your probably gettin a fold out of that probably play this way is JJ and AK
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:30 PM
C4LL4W4Y C4LL4W4Y is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

PF is standard, flop you should be folding. Floating is ok if there is some history, but the turn looks like you're getting value bet.
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:20 PM
squashington squashington is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

Folding flop was definitely the correct play. Reviewing the hand I'm wondering what enticed me to call the flop in the first place. Probably the deep stacks + position duo. I typically fold here without giving it a second thought.

On the turn I'm not that big an underdog to his range surprisingly. He'd probably have to fold over 40% of the time here for it to be a +EV play.(?) I don't think he's folding that often although he almost has to give me credit for a set or AQ.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,816 games 0.031 secs 90,838 games/sec

Board: 4d 7c Qh 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.423% 38.42% 00.00% 1082 0.00 { 5d5h }
Hand 1: 61.577% 61.58% 00.00% 1734 0.00 { 99+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:22 PM
Vyse Vyse is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) Turn OESD: Poor semi-bluff?

Perfectly fine if you think your FE is good. Very scary line from you.
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