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06-24-2007, 02:32 PM
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Still haven\'t grasped this
Villain is a 2+2er or a solid NL 200 grinder. He is a thinking player and his 3 bet range has been confirmed and is not subject just to JJ+,AK. There has been some history and probably over 2k hands played against each other.
Effective stacks are $200. Case 1: Folds to you on the button, you have AKo, you raise to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $28? Is it okay to just push here? Case 2: Folds to you in the SB. you have two Jacks. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, BB raises to $28, you? Case 3: Folds to you in the CO. You have two Queens. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, 2+2 Button raises to $28, folds back to you and you? In all three cases this isn't the initial 3 bet by the 2+2er. Trying to find out if any of these potential pushes classify as "spew" Interested to hear thoughts. 
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#3
06-24-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
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I don't get why you would shove instead of making a smaller 4-bet [/ QUOTE ] So we are just raising it to $65 and doing what to pushes? I see that if I make that play a lot of the time that people aren't folding AK, which we are tied with in one hand and technically ahead of slightly in the other two.
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#4
06-24-2007, 02:40 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
As far as my opinion I kind of favor a jam in all 3 cases. I see that I get called by AQ,JJ-99 a lot in all 3 cases.
In case 1 I am usually at worse a flip from an aggressive player and sometimes I have the dominated hand or get somebody to muck JJ. Also I occasionaly jam AA or KK in this scenario so they might be hesistant to call with JJ. As far as the other two I am obviously killed by AA/KK but I feel like I get called by more than just those two hands
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#5
06-24-2007, 02:46 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
In all 3 cases I like to 4 bet small and call a shove.
In case 1, Though you are in position, you aren't going to be hitting the flop enough to be able to continue the hand if you just flat call the 3 bet. Case 2 and 3, you are out of position and villain is wielding his position well, so 4 bet small and call a shove.
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#6
06-24-2007, 02:47 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
The trouble I have with jamming is it willingly forfeits our sweet positional advantage when holding premium hands against a tough aggressive opponent.
Edit: nm i misread
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#7
06-24-2007, 02:57 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
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[ QUOTE ] I don't get why you would shove instead of making a smaller 4-bet [/ QUOTE ] So we are just raising it to $65 and doing what to pushes? I see that if I make that play a lot of the time that people aren't folding AK, which we are tied with in one hand and technically ahead of slightly in the other two. [/ QUOTE ] no one folds AK preflop 4betting less than AI allows us to bluff cheaper or get a ton of money in good preflop with big pairs. Doing it with AK is part balancing and part equity based, especially i villain can shove a worse Ax over a 4bet. FWIW i would 4bet AK and call the other 2 to start with
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#8
06-24-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
I hate these fuc*ing spots !
H1 : I 4 bets, then call a push, of course. H2 : I call and raise a lot of flops. I am in the dark on 1/2 of the flops [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] H3 : call or 4 bets are fine. Of course, never fold.
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#9
06-24-2007, 02:37 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
case 1: absolutely. as is calling with position.
case 2: great time to play post flop case 3: a case can be made for shoving, but i really just like calling and turning QQ/JJ into a bluff catcher/smaller hand catcher
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#10
06-24-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: Still haven\'t grasped this
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Villain is a 2+2er or a solid NL 200 grinder. He is a thinking player and his 3 bet range has been confirmed and is not subject just to JJ+,AK. There has been some history and probably over 2k hands played against each other. Effective stacks are $200. Case 1: Folds to you on the button, you have AKo, you raise to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $28? Is it okay to just push here? Case 2: Folds to you in the SB. you have two Jacks. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, BB raises to $28, you? Case 3: Folds to you in the CO. You have two Queens. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, 2+2 Button raises to $28, folds back to you and you? In all three cases this isn't the initial 3 bet by the 2+2er. Trying to find out if any of these potential pushes classify as "spew" Interested to hear thoughts. [/ QUOTE ] Advice - don't steal my BB [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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