20$ Rebuy, failed bluff in late stage - reasonable play or suicide?

[Tackleberry]

20$ Rebuy MTT, prizepool 20K, 250 players reg., 37 remaining, 30 places are paid.

Villain is chipleader at the table (60.000 chips) and has a medium aggressive style.

My image is rather tight, two hands ago I won a big pot with a reasonable hand.

The following hand arrived:

Blinds 600/1,200
9-handed table

Villain is SB (60,000)
Hero is BB (27,000)

Preflop: Hero has 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

<font color="green">7 fold</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to 2,400</font>, <font color="red">BB reraises to 6,000</font>, <font color="red">SB calls 3,600</font>.

<font color="purple">After all had folded and SB made a normal (steal-)minraise, I decided to pull off a bluff as I am slightly below average and had to need to accumulate chips. Unfortunately I didn´t scare the chipleader off the hand.</font> [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (pot: 12,000, 2 players) </font>

<font color="red">SB bets 1,200</font>, <font color="red">BB calls</font>.

This min-bet of just 10% of the pot I could not assess at all - if he had a monster, why did he not try to check-raise me? Was it a small probe-bet to see what I have? No fear of the two-suited-flop? Maybe AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? Why then this small bet? Or maybe AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? Finally I made an awkward call with my middle pair, getting at least 10:1 and hoping for the turn.</font>

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (pot: 14,400, 2 players) </font>

<font color="red">SB bets 1,200</font>, <font color="green">BB folds</font>.

<font color="purple">Same question!! What would SB give me 13:1 with, with which he called a big preflop-reraise? The only reasonable hand would be AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. But again - if I would call this micro-bet I would surely also call a bet of maybe one third of the pot. Thoughts? I admit, I really have no clue. What are you setting BB´s range on?</font>

=&gt; At all, how do you comment my play? Was it a reasonable bluff in my situation or pure suicide? Would anybody have come over the top (or pushed?) the flop in my situation - regarding his minbet as pure weakness?

Thanks for your comments!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Tackleberry]

No comments?

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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PRF fine.. why not put him to the test.

Raise the flop (4000?)... you've come this far and have 2nd pair... see if he hit his king. At the very least it's buying you a free river card.

Calling never gives you much info. As played I fold the turn as well.

[nath]

your preflop reraise size blows
and you should jam the flop

[ianisakson]

raise more pf, raise the flop. you gotta make up your mind early in the hand when you're going to bluff and play your hand strong the whole way through or you're going to end up giving up a lot on later streets in hands like this. put him to the test, from my experience you're ahead about 80% of the time on the flop here.

[LSgambler]

Preflop re-raise to 7.5-8k. Push this flop.

[The Hag]

This was played horribly on all streets.

I don't know what else to say.

[comfortably_numb]

Like previous posters wrote, I'd also prefer a reraise to 7.5k or 8k pre-flop and flop is a raise too, to find out a bit more where you probably stand.
Not done that way, on Turn I'd call again and the same on River. I assume he will not bet more on river if river is blank to that board.
In this situation I would play that way to gain information cheaply (and you get great pot odds).
It must not be the right play, but I would like to know with which cards he played that strange and I record that for further action.
In some rare cases you might get shown AQo ...
Nevertheless, villain played the hand quite bad, imo.

[Tackleberry]

Hag - thanks for your real helpful comment. At least it was extremely important to enrich this thread with your wisdom.

But you obviously missed that I did not ask for an assessment of my play but for hints how to play this situation correctly. You seem not to know either ...

[LottaNirvana]

After the flop, -- calling -- just showed that YOU didn't have a K.

Once you decide to bluff. Picture what hand you're representing (KK or , after the flop maybe trip 8s or 3s...whatever) and play it just like that's what you had.

Also, did you have to try that bluff with someone that has such a big stack (compared to yours)?

Bluffing is about creating fear, it is far more difficult to create that fear when someone can afford to lose.


I think your 6000 raise to his bet was too little.


But once that was done,
A 7,500 + raise post flop would've probably won. if not, you're done with it. better luck next time.

But just calling 1200, and folding on the turn....
Once it got to the turn, and he bet only 1200, you should have represented a TRAP and really jammed it.

The way it was played Sounds like the kind of thing I might do when I'm playing distracted, or tired....and then lose sleep over later. ;-)

(PS, Most of the time, I do play distracted or tired...)