99 donked twice.

[NinaWilliams]

CO is 30/19/3.71. Dont have a good grasp on his flop play. BB is unknown.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.25BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.25BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls

[bbbushu]

i fold the turn. i might call-down if i was closing the action.

tough spot if it's HU but i think it's easier with somebody still to act.

bbbushu

[gopnik]

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i fold the turn. i might call-down if i was closing the action.

tough spot if it's HU but i think it's easier with somebody still to act.

bbbushu

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I'd rather raise the turn again than fold. However, the problem with raising the turn is that the villain is very aggressive and could 3-bet a good draw. HU I'd just call down.

[kurosh]

I would fold flop... raise/fold turn. CO has a jack here a lot.

[Oink]

Folding the flop is too weak IMO. The pot is fairly big and the donk is a complete bluff, a semibluff, worse made hands and then also Jx. With the position Hero has an excellent chance of getting the pot HU. Pretty easy raise IMO.

The turn is a tough spot and I prolly fold it. UTG+1 called 2 cold on the flop and the repeat donk makes it more likely CO has the J. The pot is big though and raising to shut out UTG+1 and taking the free showdown is an option. I am just not sure that UTG+1 actually folds or that CO checks the river.

[Thorv]

If it was HU, call down or raise turn. Here, fold turn.

[MacGuyV]

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Folding the flop is too weak IMO. The pot is fairly big and the donk is a complete bluff, a semibluff, worse made hands and then also Jx. With the position Hero has an excellent chance of getting the pot HU. Pretty easy raise IMO.

The turn is a tough spot and I prolly fold it. UTG+1 called 2 cold on the flop and the repeat donk makes it more likely CO has the J. The pot is big though and raising to shut out UTG+1 and taking the free showdown is an option. I am just not sure that UTG+1 actually folds or that CO checks the river.

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I agree with the first part. I don't reference SSHE very often because it's always mis-applied (in micro's anyway) but I would say folding to a very aggro player's flop donk on this flop with 13.5 small bets is a good example of "folding too much".

The turn is closer because it means villian has the J a lot but I'm not really sure why UTG+1's presence is influencing everyone's decision that much after merely check/coldcalling a somewhat coordinated flop.

[Burnsabre]

How dare you disagree with me or uh... ask my opinion.. lol.

on the flop utg1 would be getting ~8 to 1 when faced with 2
on the turn utg1 would be getting ~5 to 1 when faced with 2

going with the read that CU indeed has a weak jack, if utg folds the gutshot QT or Q9, its a bad fold on the flop because his Q is live. If he folds it on the turn its a correct fold. If he has an oesd or a fd, theres no betting pattern that makes his coming along unprofitable. Id rather have utg1 make a bad fold on the flop than a good fold on the turn.

I tend to save these turn hand protection raises for 4 way pots.

edit: as far as the free sd, yeah, itd be nice... but I'm convinced you're up against a weak jack here.. so in my mind itd be a slightly expensive shot at a 2 outer on the river (plus the added value of closure so that you may grieve for your nines)

[TomBrooks]

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CO is 30/19/3.71.

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I'm thinking you should fold somewhere, but OTOH CO has a high AF. How many hands do you have on him?

[Nightbrace]

I like it!