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JJ overpair when board pairs up...
I'm in utg+1. Villain is 37/15/1.05.
I raise. Villain (who is on button) cold calls. BB joins us for the ride. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB checks. I bet. Button calls. BB folds. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet. Button raises. I fold. I figure that since his AF is fairly neutral, he's probably not just raising the scare card lightly. He either hit a set on the flop or else just hit trips on the turn. If he were more LAGgy, I probably wouldn't give him credit for raising the scare card, but since he seems more passive, I'm folding. Good idea or bad? |
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
bad fold. no biscuit.
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
i don't fold here. this could be 7x, some middle pocket pair, or a semibluff enough of the time for calling down to be correct.
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
hmm, just out of curiosity, what if an A or K came down on the turn instead of a second 9? same situation i bet and get raised. am i now folding? or do i also want to call down in this situation?
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
it certainly changes things
your opponents are usually less likely to bluff there imo because your raise pf and your bet on the flop and turn signify that you usually have a good (high-card) hand which might still be better than, or be improved by, that a/k some people like to bluff aces though as a scare card |
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
I put you on AK. My TT looks good on this board. I raise you.
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
You don't have near the read to make this fold.
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
I think it's a minority of times you should be folding overpairs to turn aggression, especially short-handed. This, of course, depends on a number of factors:
<ul type="square">[*] the villain -- a rockier villain you should of course give more credence to. This is probably the most important factor, IMO.[*] the board -- Draw-completing cards are more freightening than blanks. As an extreme example, say you hold K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the board is 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. The turn comes T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I would give more credence to a turn raise. Also, double-paired boards are worth being more concerned about as villains in the pot now may have a full house.[*] number of opponents -- I would be more cautious of someone who raises a large number of people.[*] the action -- specifically you should respect a check raise more than just a raise. [/list] I wrote this out as much for my own benefit as anyone else's, so feedback is much appreciated. |
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
crmenace,
you somehow forgot to mention pot size. |
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Re: JJ overpair when board pairs up...
I think the passive/agressive variation is more important than tight/loose
I also think the position of the donk/ c/r is important in multiway pots. |
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