NL 50 KK line check

[Keyser112]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($55.05)
SB ($57.85)
BB ($32.20)
UTG ($44.65)
UTG+1 ($32)
Hero ($50)
MP2 ($34.45)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($40.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8.5</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $32.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $21.25.

Turn: ($67) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($67) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $67

[Mike Kelley]

Did you put him on a 1 big diamond here? I like it.

[threads13]

Readless I think it is ok. I think he will do this with a worse hand often enough to get the money in here. A read could change this a lot though.

[AlexB182]

I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

[threads13]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

[Teddie]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

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why not? When someone donks the flop for that little it looks like a blocking bet, but the raise all-in is a tough spot.

I'd hate to just flat call his small bet and give him odds to hit a 4th diamond, but i also dont know if i'd like to stack off here. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[threads13]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

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why not? When someone donks the flop for that little it looks like a blocking bet, but the raise all-in is a tough spot.

I'd hate to just flat call his small bet and give him odds to hit a 4th diamond, but i also dont know if i'd like to stack off here. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Well, that is what is tough about this hand in this spot. You didn't hit your target SPR, imo.

If he is putting out a blocking bet then you should theoretically raise as you have the best hand. The problem is that I think choosing whether or not you should get AI is a much bigger issue. If you have a read that he will blocking bet or b/3-bet with a draw then raise him and expect to have the best of it. Otherwise I don't see a reason to raise and then fold.

[CazicT]

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X - has 12 outs twice = 1.2:1 against.

So if he has the hand we are praying for, then we are 54% to win. If he doesn't, we are dead to miracle runners if he has made flush, and almost dead if he has a set.

Of course there is SOME chance he has something different that we may be more of a favorite over, but it would be pretty rare.

I'm thinking despite decent pot odds, we can fold to the shove against a sane player. Against a tight player who would rarely so the semi-bluff all-in thing, a fold is cleary best...

[Mike Kelley]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

50/50 on a 3 to 1 shot and he's something like 117-1 to flop the flush If my KK lines up with villain hitting his 117-1 shot then oh well.

If he limp calls AKs make a note. I don't think that's a profitable play.

[AlexB182]

Just adding up all of his possible hands, of course limping AKs would be a strange play and I know that flopping a flush doesn't happen too often at all.
But, looking at villains line (b/3b on flop) I don't see to many hands we beat here...