nut flush facing a very strange river bet--- push/call/fold?

ssdex · #1 08-08-2007, 01:50 PM

no reads on villain--- such a weird spot on river here--- what do you do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($58.35)
UTG ($27)
MP ($50)
CO ($32.75)
Button ($48.10)
SB ($93.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($12) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($18) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero....?

EMc · #2 08-08-2007, 01:54 PM

Im shoving here, as his line looks like a FD. I also like a flop raise.

CyberianBull · #3 08-08-2007, 01:54 PM

- Is 3-betting pf out of the question?
- I like to repop his c-bet here
- River: call or fold - no stats on villain at all (won at showdown %; AF, etc.)??

Tough spot, no doubt

relativity_x · #4 08-08-2007, 02:03 PM

You chased to hit the nut flush, and you hit. If villain has a boat, it sucks.

I'd probably push since he'll call with a lower flush.

sightless · #5 08-08-2007, 02:06 PM

Raise flop./Raise Turn
shove river

TheSalche · #6 08-08-2007, 02:06 PM

Anybody notice how weird his preflop raise is? Has he been doing this as his standard opening raise? River fold is not an option, I like shove.

reef2287 · #7 08-08-2007, 02:16 PM

is it better to take the cheap turn there or raise so if you hit, more monies! b/c most the time if you hit your nutflush, they are checking and not overbetting-- but on this hand, he played it so weak, it screams boat or lower flush but since hes probably a fish it has to be a low flush, go ahead and take his tack

ssdex · #8 08-08-2007, 02:21 PM

well i was never consider folding-----

i just wasnt sure if a call or a push was better here--- obviously sometimes it will be 99 or QQ--- but is it a lower flush or a really poorly played AA/KK that are paying us when we shove to make a shove +ev here?

cubase · #9 08-08-2007, 02:27 PM

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well i was never consider folding-----

i just wasnt sure if a call or a push was better here--- obviously sometimes it will be 99 or QQ--- but is it a lower flush or a really poorly played AA/KK that are paying us when we shove to make a shove +ev here?

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Looking at my thinking above, what types of flushes are you putting him on? The only clubs he can hold that are big are the Kc and the Jc.

We are readless, so we can't assume Kc2c (he did raise UTG after all). JcTc doesn't work since you have the Tc.

KcJc I guess is possible but seems unlikely, readless.

So if you are putting him on a flush as part of his range, which flush did you have in mind?

reef2287 · #10 08-08-2007, 02:30 PM

i mean you have about 50 left, his huge overbet leads me to believe hes going to call your shove very wide (since its only 25 more into a 100 dollar pot then) and i think your WA of his range so i would shove, sorry i wasn't indicating folding in my post but i do think if your not shoving this, your losing EV, like to see what other, more wise folks have to say