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Old 09-11-2007, 11:19 PM
bikocruz bikocruz is offline
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Default WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

My friend had the unfortunate experience of being sandwiched between Townsend and Sagstrom for Day 1 of the WSOPE ME. So much for Europe being a cake-walk. He's an excellent player, but here's a really tough spot that came up for him...been mulling it over w/ a couple players and can't decide on the best line. 100 BBs is a tad too much for me to like putting it in pre.

Blinds: 100-200
Hero: 20k
Townsend: Big stack, lets say 60k.

3 limpers

Hero raises to 1200 w/ Ako on button

Hero has been raising a lot in position

Townsend re-raises 2700 more to 3900 from the SB, limpers fold, laying Hero almost 2-1 on a call pre

Call, fold, raise, or push and why?
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Hero decides to smooth-call

Flop is TT2 rainbow

Townsend checks

Your play?
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Hero decides to check behind

Turn is off-suit 4

Townsend leads out for 4k

Your play?
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Hero folds. Lets say that if you called the river was a meaningless 2. Do you call a second shell on river? Do you push over a blocking-bet? Do you call a push if river is A/K?


**Just want to say that I don't really agree w/ the way the hand was played out and Hero agrees it probably wasn't played optimally. Problem is....what IS the optimal play? I'm so torn here. Would really appreciate some good insight on this one.

GLGL to everyone still in!
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:28 PM
FGators FGators is offline
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

Townsend is far from a nit. He's incredibly relentless and a thinking player (we all know that).

Therefore, given your position (or your friends) and the fact that there came along 3 limpers, who look weak, Townsend immediately believes that you are pretty wide with your raise preflop.

Given that his 3 betting range opens up as he thinks you are trying to punish the limpers with any two cards.

Preflop was the mistake in this hand. 4 bet all in.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:34 PM
Ansky Ansky is offline
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

id get it in pre, and post flop seems ok, i might be tempted tho to do something stupid post flop.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:44 PM
bikocruz bikocruz is offline
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

I'm not really a fan of shoving 100BBs pre even in this situation. I think if you call pre you have to call turn tho. Calling pre and check/folding that board has to be spewy. I agree I'd be tempted to do something crazy on river like pushing over a blocking-bet on a blank river.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

I definitely shove pre here against most people I consider to be better than me.
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:19 AM
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

Why open for 6xbb preflop?
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

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I definitely shove pre here against most people I consider to be better than me.

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Old 09-12-2007, 02:50 AM
ZeeJustin ZeeJustin is offline
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

Shove pre. I hear this townsend guy plays well postflop.
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

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Shove pre. I hear this townsend guy plays well postflop.

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This is what I was thinking I would do in this situation but I am suprised to hear this is the correct play...I thought I was just taking the easy way out....
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: WSOPE Hand vs Townsend

Any line other than shoving pre is a gigantic mistake.
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