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The casino I frequent is drying up...
In a rush, but the local casino I play at has dried up considerably. The games are horrendously tight now, with even fish limp/folding AKo PF.
The games were awesome 4+ months ago, but now... it sucks. The average 5/5 NL game has at least 4-6 people who play for a living, and while most do suck...getting 30 hands in per hour on live isn't enough to exploit them. will clarify when i get back, has anyone noticed anything similar? |
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Re: The casino I frequent is drying up...
I play mostly in Vegas. Mostly 2/5 NL with some 5/10. Haven't really noticed anything broadly better or worse than recent months/years from July thru Octobre.
Just got back into Texas last week. The couple times I've been out the games are as good as ever. Very small sample size, but they've been pretty much the same way for the past 3 years down here. |
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it\'s all about fishin\' man
The room has become like a pool of pirhana after the floods have receded. All the big, slow, dumb fish have been eaten. Even the smaller, more minnow-esque fish are all long gone. No limit caused a feeding frenzy when all the regular fish were suddenly playing a game that was over their head. A few fat pirhana ate some big, easy meals, and the carnage drew even more predators into the kill zone.
But in an isolated pool, there were too many pirhana. No limit is a top predator's game, but an ecosystem without enough prey collapses. That's when things get ugly. Even the stupidest small fish will eventually wisen up if they never win. If you've eaten up all the dead money, it's inevitable that as long as no limit is the main game spread, the games won't be good anymore. Games in more isolated areas, with fewer influx of new players (i.e. tourists), will see this effect sooner. Inevitably, balance amongst the fishes will be restored, but where will poker be when that happens? |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
5/5 nl doesnt strike me as a beginers game.
I would guess the poor (skills wise) players who came to play have been sent to the poor house. So you are left with mediocre-good-strong players. if the player pool was small to start with, not only have the better players stashed the winnings, the house has raked a considerale amount of money too. I used to play in a private 1/2 PL game, that was the juciest game around. Consistantly seeing pots of between 300-500, where bottom pair or A high would regually win. The game was sustained by 2 fish from a player pool of about 25. Only 4 players were long term winners, however now the fish have gone busto the good players ave deserted the game, all thats left now are the mediocre-good players. Only winner now is the house. |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
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The room has become like a pool of pirhana after the floods have receded. All the big, slow, dumb fish have been eaten. Even the smaller, more minnow-esque fish are all long gone. No limit caused a feeding frenzy when all the regular fish were suddenly playing a game that was over their head. A few fat pirhana ate some big, easy meals, and the carnage drew even more predators into the kill zone. But in an isolated pool, there were too many pirhana. No limit is a top predator's game, but an ecosystem without enough prey collapses. That's when things get ugly. Even the stupidest small fish will eventually wisen up if they never win. If you've eaten up all the dead money, it's inevitable that as long as no limit is the main game spread, the games won't be good anymore. Games in more isolated areas, with fewer influx of new players (i.e. tourists), will see this effect sooner. Inevitably, balance amongst the fishes will be restored, but where will poker be when that happens? [/ QUOTE ] I have often stated that limit poker will make a comeback but I am 50/50 if limit Holdem comes back or HORSE or a mixed game of some type becomes the new NL Holdem. I really hope O/8 in the next big thing but I am not holding my breath. |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
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I have often stated that limit poker will make a comeback but I am 50/50 if limit Holdem comes back or HORSE or a mixed game of some type becomes the new NL Holdem. I really hope O/8 in the next big thing but I am not holding my breath. [/ QUOTE ] I would love it if a mixed game like horse took over in the near future, because I'm sick of hold'em, especially no limit. I'd prefer stud-8 over omaha-8, but I doubt a split pot game would replace hold'em ever. I wanna play "screw your neighbor pineapple." You pass one card left preflop, and fold one card on the flop. No split pots, high only. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it will be an action game, we'll find out soon enough. Al |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
I'd like to see more limit, and if it's other games, that's great. But not really expecting it. Hold Em is the game that requires the least amount of "thought", and recreational types who come in for a fun bit of gambling are usually not wanting to think much (if at all.)
One of the great things about limit is that even the most gawdawful players will book wins sometimes, and those occasional wins keep them coming back for more. They can build up a nice stack at NL also, but it seems they all too often don't quit when they are ahead, and stack off. So instead of leaving the table with more than they sat with, they leave broke, yet again. Not too many people can continue that pattern indefinitely. |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
I found nl @ MGM/Venetian on recent trip to be very juicy for a nut peddlar like me. Seemed fewer calling stations than previous trips, but they seem to be replaced by aggrotard/potbuilding average skilled players that continually tried to push me off big hands.
Yes it is boring way to play,but nitty play allows me to play drunk which is very fun. (1 week sample size) |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
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One of the great things about limit is that even the most gawdawful players will book wins sometimes, and those occasional wins keep them coming back for more. They can build up a nice stack at NL also, but it seems they all too often don't quit when they are ahead, and stack off. So instead of leaving the table with more than they sat with, they leave broke, yet again. Not too many people can continue that pattern indefinitely. [/ QUOTE ] Well stated. The NL boom was able to sustain itself for so long because there was a relatively large influx of new and/or weak players. That influx has slowed and the surviving players for the most part get better. Making $30 plus per hour in NL games with small blinds and a big rake simply wasn't sustainable. Even if limit comes back the games will be tougher. There are so many young kids disconnected from the workforce that seem to be pot stuck on the poker life. When they start moving over to limit they'll adapt faster and make those games tougher, further speeding the exodus of mediocre players as their occasional gratifying wins becomes ever more rare. ~ Rick |
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Re: it\'s all about fishin\' man
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[ QUOTE ] I have often stated that limit poker will make a comeback but I am 50/50 if limit Holdem comes back or HORSE or a mixed game of some type becomes the new NL Holdem. I really hope O/8 in the next big thing but I am not holding my breath. [/ QUOTE ] I would love it if a mixed game like horse took over in the near future, because I'm sick of hold'em, especially no limit. I'd prefer stud-8 over omaha-8, but I doubt a split pot game would replace hold'em ever. I wanna play "screw your neighbor pineapple." You pass one card left preflop, and fold one card on the flop. No split pots, high only. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it will be an action game, we'll find out soon enough. Al [/ QUOTE ] I would be estatic if I could occasionally GET a O8 game going here where I play. |
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