I shouldn't even have to ask this probably but...

[wpr101]

These two hands are incredibly standard right?

Villian is pipo4 who is 35/16. After this hand I realized how much he sucks...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($368.40)
CO ($549)
Button ($421.65)
SB ($341.70)
BB ($393.30)
wpr101 ($409.15)

Preflop: wpr101 is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">wpr101 raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">wpr101 bets $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">wpr101 raises to $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $379.3</font>, wpr101 calls $179.30.



Villian here is ty mutts who I have at 31/14 over 65 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($400)
MP ($475)
CO ($119)
Button ($322)
SB ($529.20)
BB ($534.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $12, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($42) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $24</font>, BB calls $24, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $81</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $515.2</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $305 (All-In).

[LiLApprentice]

I think these 2 hands are hard to go wrong with. You can just call the raise on hand 1 if you like since you have position, or play it the way you did, either seems fine. hand 2, another hand you can just call the bet or pop it, looks like he has 66, but thats the worst case and your still live. Well played

[TheWorstPlayer]

I think these are both very badly played despite being 'standard'.

[My_Name_Is_Hov]

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I think these are both very badly played despite being 'standard'.

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lol cool. how about filling us in with what your line would be.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Call the c/r in hand 1, overcall the flop in hand 2. And once you raise hand 2 and he pushes, all you have is a bare flush draw, potentially missing two diamonds. Fold. Which is why you shouldn't be raising in the first place.

Edit: Here's a hand I played today which illustrates why I think these hands are not well played. I raise A4hh in the CO, get called only in the BB (unknown). I bet a JhTx8h flop and call a small c/r. Turn brings the 4h and he bets around half-to-two-thirds pot. I push for 1.5x pot. He snap calls T8.

[wpr101]

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Edit: Here's a hand I played today which illustrates why I think these hands are not well played. I raise A4hh in the CO, get called only in the BB (unknown). I bet a JhTx8h flop and call a small c/r. Turn brings the 4h and he bets around half-to-two-thirds pot. I push for 1.5x pot. He snap calls T8.

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This hand doesn't really prove your point because if you missed the turn which happens 80% of the time you would lose a decent size pot. And in this hand the board is extremly draw heavy to begin with. I can just as easily come up with an example where playing fast would have been better. Same board but villian now has 6h7h. Villian check raises flop and you call. Turn and river are blanks and it goes check check. Wouldn't you have much rather gotten in when he was drawing to 4 outs and committed. I'm not saying you played the hand wrong. It just doesn't make sense to give one abitrarly results oriented example and then say this is why.

Btw, doesn't standard imply that it is generally the most straight forward and best way to play hand against most opponents? Also, I think your word choice is horrible. There is no way that both of these hands are played " very badly".

[Hollywade]

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Here's a hand I played today which illustrates why I think these hands are not well played. I raise A4hh in the CO, get called only in the BB (unknown). I bet a JhTx8h flop and call a small c/r. Turn brings the 4h

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Better check the deck.

[Triumph36]

these hands are very standard. there may be an argument for calling flop in hand 1 - it's basically a min-raise - but raising seems fine too.

[Alexos]

TWP- Your assumption that villain never folds when/if we hit our flush on the turn is something I do not understand. Isn't this a massive scare card for anyone holding TPTK, two pr, set...??? That's mainly the reason I play these draws fast, because Im pretty sure he will stack off anyways with worse hands/draws on flop, but also it allows us to get more money in quick and not have to commit on turn where we have less equity.

Is my judgement biased/wrong?

Edit: This comment is mainly for hand 2. Hand 1 I understand calling flop

[Praetor]

I would call flop #1 but I like #2