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Shaken confidence
I quit playing poker for a while and came back a couple months ago playing live. Over the last 12 sessions I am probably down 80 -100 BB. Could be variance, but I feel I am looser than I used to be (especially preflop) and am going to far with hands. I still feel I protect well and can extract well with made hands. Back to low limit online til i get back up to speed. first orbit.
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls. Flop: (5.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls. Turn: (3.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (5.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 7.70 BB LLL |
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Re: Shaken confidence
With no reads, I think raising the turn is thin but +EV, but probably only if you can find a fold to the 3bet. If you can't fold, then this is the next best line.
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Re: Shaken confidence
He most prob have not hit the Q, or else a decent player would have check raised on the turn to trap you for one more bet.
Mr Wookie, why would you want to raise the turn? The Q has kinda counterfeited your two pair, and you end up with a mid kicker. The only hands we beat are those going for draws, and an A with a <T kicker. Possbily he has AdXd If I have no reads, I would chose to call down and make a note on his play based on his hole cards. |
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Re: Shaken confidence
I raise and fold to a 3-bet
but your line is good too. |
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Re: Shaken confidence
wow wtf at raising the turn?
folding and calling are both close.. . i think i marginally prefer calling down nh |
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Re: Shaken confidence
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The only hands we beat are those going for draws, and an A with a <T kicker. Possbily he has AdXd [/ QUOTE ] Actually, we're no longer ahead of anyone with A<T. We're chopping the pot with them. For people who want to raise this turn, where's the EV in this? A Q crushes us and at best we chop with an A....[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A x gets a freeroll for the flush, too. Calling down seems to make an awful lot of sense here. I'd think best line would be call>>>>>>>fold>>>&g t;>>raise and not the other way around. |
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Re: Shaken confidence
If I raise the turn against an unknown, it's with the intention of folding to a 3bet. And given the drawy nature of the board/scary turn card, I'd much rather spend those 2 bets calling down & hoping for a chop.
One could theoretically argue that raising the turn could get a chopping hand to fold, but at these stakes I wouldn't count on anyone folding an ace here, ever. As far as your intro paragraph goes, when you're running bad & feeling bad about your game, try to make a conscious effort to play tighter. We all tend to loosen up a little when we're stuck, in an effort to get those bets back, but of course this typically just results in our falling deeper into the red. Whenever you find yourself about to play a borderline hand preflop, pause, think for a few seconds, and ask yourself if you'd usually be playing it. If the answer is no & you can't think of an immediate reason why this specific scenario should be different, make the fold & wait for the next hand. |
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Re: Shaken confidence
wow i find raisefolding the turn to be fairly bad
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Re: Shaken confidence
[ QUOTE ]
As far as your intro paragraph goes, when you're running bad & feeling bad about your game, try to make a conscious effort to play tighter. We all tend to loosen up a little when we're stuck, in an effort to get those bets back, but of course this typically just results in our falling deeper into the red. Whenever you find yourself about to play a borderline hand preflop, pause, think for a few seconds, and ask yourself if you'd usually be playing it. If the answer is no & you can't think of an immediate reason why this specific scenario should be different, make the fold & wait for the next hand. [/ QUOTE ] I like this suggestion. I may be wrong, but I think that sometimes it may become easier to loosen up a little bit when you are running well, as some of your opponents may become a bit more cautious about playing against you. Conversely, when you are not running well, sometimes it seems as though the whole table has no fear of you at all, and so the marginal hands seem less worthwhile playing. |
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Re: Shaken confidence
I don't see much need to call down here, there is really no draws you have on the river that can make you good.
It seems ludicrous to give up the pot here. Donk looks suspicious to me, if he has the queen he three bets, so its the same as a call down. I think you have a smidge of fold equity here with a reraise. I like bet/fold here personally better than call/call. If he calls the reraise he likely checks the river. |
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