J10s 3-bet pot, put AI on flop

holland3r · #1 10-05-2007, 11:24 PM

Villain is 24/21/2 over a small sample, I've 3-bet his blind steal at least once before and he's folded.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($349)
MP ($261.05)
Button ($200)
Hero ($565.40)
BB ($224.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises to $6, Hero raises to $22, 1 fold, Button calls $16.

Flop: ($46) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $34, Button raises to $178

Villain tanked for like 30 secs and then shoved. Who calls here? Who plays flop differently otherwise?

tufat23 · #2 10-05-2007, 11:37 PM

call now, but u shouldnt bet flop if u didnt know what u wanted to do vs shove.

also preflop isnt optimal

Nielsio · #3 10-05-2007, 11:45 PM

You're behind like always.

mdkrahn · #4 10-05-2007, 11:52 PM

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but we likely have ~40% equity on this flop I think.

Nielsio · #5 10-06-2007, 12:05 AM

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but we likely have ~40% equity on this flop I think.

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40 at best, wayyy worse at worst.

klownage · #6 10-06-2007, 12:11 AM

lol fold

mdkrahn · #7 10-06-2007, 02:02 AM

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nvm

just ran pokerstove with
QQ-JJ,88,AsKs,AQs,AsJs,AsTs,As9s,As8s,KQs,KsJs,QJs,Qs 9s,Js9s,Js8s,T9s,Ts8s,9s8s,9s7s,8s7s,AQo,KQo,QJo,T 9o

23% equity

whiterice714 · #8 10-05-2007, 11:54 PM

i'm not sure i like preflop 3bet OOP...

flop's easy fold IMO.... you've shown considerable strength throughout this hand & there's literally nothing you beat here except AsKs & even then, you're not very far ahead (actually i think you might even still be slightly behind)

i probably tank it for like 30 seconds to feign that i'm contemplating a hard decision w/ KK & then muck it

holland3r · #9 10-06-2007, 11:16 AM

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call now, but u shouldnt bet flop if u didnt know what u wanted to do vs shove.

also preflop isnt optimal

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So you're implying that calling PF is optimal? Eh, I hate playing these types of hands OOP.

If we just call PF, we obviously can't just check/fold every time we completely miss the board. Are you leading ragged flops when you play hands like this OOP?

Jamougha · #10 10-06-2007, 11:20 AM

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but u shouldnt bet flop if u didnt know what u wanted to do vs shove

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Don't agree with this. Bet, then decide is fine.