Are these good river folds

kiemo · #1 07-11-2006, 08:12 AM

No reads here, villian is new
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 7 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Villian here is a standard weak tighty

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP3 folds.

River: (10.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

This table has been very unkind, I have played 97 hands on the table and have only taken down one pot.
SB is fairly-tight and very aggressive, 22/18 with an AF of over 3.
BB is complete fish. A bet could mean a good hand, could mean a complete bluff as he has shown both. He pretty much has lost to every one on the table, except me. The river has been his best friend all night, catching several 2-4 outers.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero folds

00Snitch · #2 07-11-2006, 08:23 AM

hand 1. dont fold the river. the rest is good.

hand 2. raise the flop. call the river.

hand 3. umm, you are folding a set, in a fifteen bet pot, on a non-scary board...

Felipe · #3 07-11-2006, 02:23 PM

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hand 1. dont fold the river. the rest is good.

hand 2. raise the flop. call the river.

hand 3. umm, you are folding a set, in a fifteen bet pot, on a non-scary board...

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My sentiments exactly. WTF were you thinking on #3?

kerowo · #4 07-11-2006, 08:24 AM

No, not really. Maybe hand one and the pot is small enough to let it go.

Hand two I call and expect to see Qx more often than the clubs.

Hand three WTF? What are you putting these guys on? 99? AA? JJ? 68? You did good to bet the turn after all the action on the flop. You are getting 15:2 to stay in with a set and a not real coordinated board. I think you have to at least call this.

Then again, I'm losing worse than you are so there's the grain of salt.

Khapeta · #5 07-11-2006, 08:40 AM

call hand 1
call hand 2
raise hand 3 - if you have a set beaten and do not lose a lot of money....

ottsville · #6 07-11-2006, 08:48 AM

I agree with Kerowo on hand 2...I expect to see Qx here more often than the clubs. Why would he call the flop and lead the turn, when the flush doesn't come until the river?

Hand 3...these guys have 2pr more often than anything that beats you.

KingOtter · #7 07-11-2006, 08:59 AM

Yeah I don't really like any of those folds. And hand 3 is the worst of them.

KO

kiemo · #8 07-11-2006, 09:34 AM

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Yeah I don't really like any of those folds. And hand 3 is the worst of them.

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Ok so I am not tilting as I didnt fold any of them.

Here is the real river action for each of them

River: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Villian shows KQo for the turn trips.

River: (10.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.
Villian shows QJ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the rivered flush.

And I dont raise the flop here becuase the action indicates I can better protect my hand on the turn.

River: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets thinking SB sure played this hand like an open ender, but come on 86 from the SB.....,
BB caps, SB folds, Hero calls.

SB has 86o and rivers the straight. At no time did I fear AA or JJ.

Told ya this table has been unkind to me.

I did consider folding each of them though as I was 99% sure I was beat on all three. I also have a clinical case of MUBS, and doctors are flabbergasted at how accurate I am most of time when my MUBS flares up.

ThunderEagle · #9 07-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Ouch.

"That's poker"

hizo · #10 07-11-2006, 08:45 AM

grunch

I think I would call in all thress situations, but 1 and 2 are close. 3 is a must call, what are you fearing fromn villain? A5?