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NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
Villain is another terrible party player. I have him at 24/6/0.5. Should I even fire this turn? I hit the straight on the river, but does that really improve my hand that much?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> SB ($639.10) BB ($77.94) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($1,167.10)</font> <font color="#C00000">MP ($363.12)</font> Button ($84.56) Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $10. Flop: ($44) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $34</font>, MP calls $34, BB folds. Turn: ($112) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $85</font>, MP calls $85. River: ($282) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font> |
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
He's passive enough that a weak block bet should be enough to see a cheap showdown. I bet 100 on the river and fold to a raise. The only other option I'd consider is c/f here.
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
turn is fine. $200 on river or allin on river. this is party poker for god's sake, don't fold.
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
Wow, this is kind of a sick spot.
What hands do we actually beat? 79/A9 are the only ones i think. But I don't think he bets so we might lose a little value with a check. He could easily have 98/9J/9Q here. But we can't exactly bet/fold because he could raise with another str8. I dunno, it looks like he sux, so I prob am willing to get in by betting $200. Yeah, I know my reason might seem weak sauce. Curious about a better response tho. |
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
[ QUOTE ]
Wow, this is kind of a sick spot. What hands do we actually beat? 79/A9 are the only ones i think. But I don't think he bets so we might lose a little value with a check. He could easily have 98/9J/9Q here. But we can't exactly bet/fold because he could raise with another str8. I dunno, it looks like he sux, so I prob am willing to get in by betting $200. Yeah, I know my reason might seem weak sauce. Curious about a better response tho. [/ QUOTE ] The fact that you are even considering that we are behind here is insanely -ev. If he happens to have us beat here, pay him, its +ev in the long run. The real question is, do we check raise this river. This board is absolutely terrifying and even a 0.5 af will probably bluff at it, possibly shove. Its a really tempting checkraise, but i put in a bluff inducing bet. He only has 230 left, so if we put in a V-bet of about 50% of the pot, he won't shove cause he'll have less than a minraise left. I bet $90 here instead of $100, for a few specific significant reasons: a) He will call $90 slightly more than $100, almost enough to make the two amount neutral ev b) He will bluff-shove into $90 infinitely more than he will into $100. clffs: bet 90 |
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
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[ QUOTE ] Wow, this is kind of a sick spot. What hands do we actually beat? 79/A9 are the only ones i think. But I don't think he bets so we might lose a little value with a check. He could easily have 98/9J/9Q here. But we can't exactly bet/fold because he could raise with another str8. I dunno, it looks like he sux, so I prob am willing to get in by betting $200. Yeah, I know my reason might seem weak sauce. Curious about a better response tho. [/ QUOTE ] The fact that you are even considering that we are behind here is insanely -ev. If he happens to have us beat here, pay him, its +ev in the long run. The real question is, do we check raise this river. This board is absolutely terrifying and even a 0.5 af will probably bluff at it, possibly shove. Its a really tempting checkraise, but i put in a bluff inducing bet. He only has 230 left, so if we put in a V-bet of about 50% of the pot, he won't shove cause he'll have less than a minraise left. I bet $90 here instead of $100, for a few specific significant reasons: a) He will call $90 slightly more than $100, almost enough to make the two amount neutral ev b) He will bluff-shove into $90 infinitely more than he will into $100. clffs: bet 90 [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, obv we are not folding. I'm curious about what hands a non-moron would pay us off with? There are ALOT of trips that turned into full houses here. |
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
I put the rest of his stack in right there.
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
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I put the rest of his stack in right there. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
If you dont Vtown this river your burning monies, and a lot of it.
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Re: NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?
i don't understand what you're afraid of, just stick it in
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