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Optimal Went to SD %?
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Generally speaking, is there an optimal % range for your Went to SD? If it matters, I play a 33/29 5 overall aggro game and my W$SD is 46% while my Went to SD is 22%. |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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No. [/ QUOTE ] Really? There's gotta be some kind of "too high" or "too low" threshold where you're either a calling station or complete nit...? |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
* First of all, there are more games than holdem.
* Second of all, there are more betting structures than no limit, for example limit, stuctured, and pot limit * Third of all, there are different table-sizes... 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and there will be varying degrees of fullness 8 Fourth, there are different stake levels - if you think the number should be the same for .01/.01 and 100/200, then you're wrong * Fifth, there are varying opponent styles. Against passive opponents you will see the river more because they won't force you out. Against calling stations you will see it more because they won't fold. Against weak players you will see it less because they won't call * Sixth, this number is totally dependent on VPIP since it's a fraction of the hands where you saw the first round of cards, and then went to showdown There are probably more factors. Expecting this to just be some tidy number range is unrealistic. |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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* First of all, there are more games than holdem. * Second of all, there are more betting structures than no limit, for example limit, stuctured, and pot limit * Third of all, there are different table-sizes... 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and there will be varying degrees of fullness 8 Fourth, there are different stake levels - if you think the number should be the same for .01/.01 and 100/200, then you're wrong * Fifth, there are varying opponent styles. Against passive opponents you will see the river more because they won't force you out. Against calling stations you will see it more because they won't fold. Against weak players you will see it less because they won't call * Sixth, this number is totally dependent on VPIP since it's a fraction of the hands where you saw the first round of cards, and then went to showdown There are probably more factors. Expecting this to just be some tidy number range is unrealistic. [/ QUOTE ] Oops, I meant to specify NLHE. Regardless, I get the point. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thanks. |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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[ QUOTE ] * First of all, there are more games than holdem. * Second of all, there are more betting structures than no limit, for example limit, stuctured, and pot limit * Third of all, there are different table-sizes... 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and there will be varying degrees of fullness 8 Fourth, there are different stake levels - if you think the number should be the same for .01/.01 and 100/200, then you're wrong * Fifth, there are varying opponent styles. Against passive opponents you will see the river more because they won't force you out. Against calling stations you will see it more because they won't fold. Against weak players you will see it less because they won't call * Sixth, this number is totally dependent on VPIP since it's a fraction of the hands where you saw the first round of cards, and then went to showdown There are probably more factors. Expecting this to just be some tidy number range is unrealistic. [/ QUOTE ] Oops, I meant to specify NLHE. Regardless, I get the point. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] This exchange has been quite amusing, thanks. Actually, your win percentage at showdown might be an indicator of bluffing too much, not bluffing enough, folding too much, not betting enough, etc. Maybe you want to look into that. I'm sure Rusty will point out the 84 factors you need to consider. |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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Hey, Generally speaking, is there an optimal % range for your Went to SD? If it matters, I play a 33/29 5 overall aggro game and my W$SD is 46% while my Went to SD is 22%. [/ QUOTE ] with your agressive style of play your W$SD is 46% while Went to SD is 22% is right where it should. with 33/29/5 and 22%SD you will never be over 50% W$SD. which is'nt a bad thing playing that aggressive. I'm guessing with 90% accuracy your overall amount won is more then amount won going to showdown. example; if your up $1000 overall and take just the hands you went to showdown that amount will be under $1000 {guessing yours is around 30% less] example 2; if someone had a 19/14/1.5 22%SD and is up $1000 overall there showdown win will be around $2000+ and both examples could have the same BB/100 hands hope this helps |
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Re: Optimal Went to SD %?
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[ QUOTE ] Hey, Generally speaking, is there an optimal % range for your Went to SD? If it matters, I play a 33/29 5 overall aggro game and my W$SD is 46% while my Went to SD is 22%. [/ QUOTE ] with your agressive style of play your W$SD is 46% while Went to SD is 22% is right where it should. with 33/29/5 and 22%SD you will never be over 50% W$SD. which is'nt a bad thing playing that aggressive. I'm guessing with 90% accuracy your overall amount won is more then amount won going to showdown. example; if your up $1000 overall and take just the hands you went to showdown that amount will be under $1000 {guessing yours is around 30% less] example 2; if someone had a 19/14/1.5 22%SD and is up $1000 overall there showdown win will be around $2000+ and both examples could have the same BB/100 hands hope this helps [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the relpy. Regarding my winnings, I haven't played too much in this dbase (~7k) and my last 2.5k have been horribly swingy--peaked at +12 bi and am currently at -2, lol. However, before the insanity kicked in, yes a large portion of my wins came without showdowns. |
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