Super big pot with KK and a ragged flop

[maverickai]

Just encountered a hand in a very big pot. Players are loose:

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">HERO 3-bets</font>,<font color="#666666"> 5 folds</font>, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, HERO calls, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21.5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">HERO ??</font>

My question is, do I try to protect my hand here, or raise for value?

[Niediam]

I'd raise for value now.

The pot is so huge that even if you wait for the turn to raise in an attempt to protect your hand your opponents will be getting decent odds to draw.

[kerowo]

You can't protect your hand here, people are getting odds to call with a hamster. It's probably a toss up with jamming this and just holding on and hoping your hand holds up.

[Jaran]

Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key.

-J

[Niediam]

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Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key.

-J

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In general I'd go with easy cap for value.

[Bulletproof Monk]

three things:

1. "My question is, do I try to protect my hand here, or raise for value?"

these two things are both going to mean raising at this point, and they are not mutually exclusive. so just raise for both of these and other reasons.

2. please fix the conversion, im assuming 3 players checked on the turn?

3. who is the girl in your avatar?

[maverickai]

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three things:

2. please fix the conversion, im assuming 3 players checked on the turn?

3. who is the girl in your avatar?

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2. Fixed.

3. Honey Lee, Miss Korea 2006

[Jaran]

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Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key.

-J

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In general I'd go with easy cap for value.

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In general, I agree. But if the original flop bettor is the one who treys, I can see smoothcalling and planning on popping the turn.

-J

[maverickai]

No one's mentioning that we might be facing an AA here?

[maverickai]

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Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key.

-J

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In general I'd go with easy cap for value.

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In general, I agree. But if the original flop bettor is the one who treys, I can see smoothcalling and planning on popping the turn.

-J

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And Jaran, you said you will call a 3bet on the flop, and raise the turn again. Given there is so much strength shown from the original flop bettor, wont' HERO be bleeding too much if facing AA?