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Venue: Foxwoods WPT Poker Room
Game: 1-2 nlhe On the river, in a HU pot, Hero moves all in with JTc on a [JhAhX][2h][4h] after heavy betting on flop and turn. Villain, after tanking for minutes (at a live tbl mind you) turns up 35h in front of his stack and across the line on the table and says angrily "I had you til the [censored] river". A middle aged showdown muppet on the other end of the table immediately says "You have a straight flush". Villain embarassingly starts putting his stacks of $ into the pot as fast as possible saying, I never said fold. Hero becomes furious, claiming nobody turns their cards up over the line at the table and says anything like "I had you til the [censored] river" when they're are going to be calling. Villain claims, he never said the word "fold". After 2 seperate floor managers talk it over and a huge scene in the Foxwoods poker room they decide....... You're the floor, what's your decision? (Results to come after some discussion) |
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Cards speak... Straight flush wins the pot
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this is not a made up scenario btw, this actually happened, if you read this, post a response
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The guy threw his cards over the line. Doesn't that equal a fold?
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This is not a case where "cards speak" is the key matter, because the hand is not at showdown. Villain had to call a bet to get to showdown. Regardless of what Villain's cards say, the question is whether his action of placing the cards in the center and declaring "I had you til the river" constituted a fold.
I think it's hard to interpret that action as other than a fold. Further, if it wasn't a fold, Villain and "Middle aged showdown muppet" have violated One Player to a Hand. As such, I would award the pot to Hero. MASM gets a warning not to play others' hands. Villain presumably learns his lesson on his own. |
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This is not a case where "cards speak" is the key matter, because the hand is not at showdown. Villain had to call a bet to get to showdown. Regardless of what Villain's cards say, the question is whether his action of placing the cards in the center and declaring "I had you til the river" constituted a fold. [/ QUOTE ] ding ding ding |
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] This is not a case where "cards speak" is the key matter, because the hand is not at showdown. Villain had to call a bet to get to showdown. Regardless of what Villain's cards say, the question is whether his action of placing the cards in the center and declaring "I had you til the river" constituted a fold. [/ QUOTE ] ding ding ding [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, cards don't speak until he makes the call. |
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Oh no, cards speak. SF wins. The player who spoke up should shut up, but that's life.
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Further, if it wasn't a fold, Villain and "Middle aged showdown muppet" have violated One Player to a Hand. [/ QUOTE ] How did Villain violate that rule? Did he solicit advice? If there is a bet on the river to you, and I offer unsolicited advice that "you should call", I have violated the rule. Not you. Your hand is not dead. |
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Nit alert... there is no 200NL at Foxwoods. I assume OP means the 1/2 (60-300 buy-in) game since the 2/5 is 300MIN.
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