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88 in BB against loose stealer and caller
Hi All,
Formerly a Fixed Limit player, was away from poker for a while, now getting back into it but on the No Limit side. This is from a 4/180 on PokerStars. We are in the money with 16 left, I am currently 14th of 16 with 8683 in chips. The blinds are 300/600 with a 50 ante, so my M is approximately 6, and the average stack is 16875. Places 10 through 18 pay the same prize money - the next jump up in money isn't until you hit 9th. Both Button and SB seem a little bit loose, but not out of line. Both have me covered by more than double my stack. The table overall seemed pretty average on the loose/tight scale. So, forgive me if this is an easy hand, but I'm still learning some of the thought processes behind No Limit. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero (t8683) UTG (t24474) UTG+1 (t14450) MP1 (t17446) MP2 (t11478) CO (t15562) Button (t19626) SB (t18674) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, SB calls t1500, <font color="#993399">Hero . . .</font> I'm pretty sure that shoving is the right play, since I'm probably in the lead against their ranges. And with my stack, this is probably a good spot to make a stand. I'm also sure that just calling is quite bad. Is there an argument at all for folding and waiting for a chance that I can be first in or heads up only? |
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Re: 88 in BB against loose stealer and caller
no, you need to double up and he's stealing pretty wide here. Push.
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Re: 88 in BB against loose stealer and caller
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Hi All, Formerly a Fixed Limit player, was away from poker for a while, now getting back into it but on the No Limit side. This is from a 4/180 on PokerStars. We are in the money with 16 left, I am currently 14th of 16 with 8683 in chips. The blinds are 300/600 with a 50 ante, so my M is approximately 6, and the average stack is 16875. Places 10 through 18 pay the same prize money - the next jump up in money isn't until you hit 9th. Both Button and SB seem a little bit loose, but not out of line. Both have me covered by more than double my stack. The table overall seemed pretty average on the loose/tight scale. So, forgive me if this is an easy hand, but I'm still learning some of the thought processes behind No Limit. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero (t8683) UTG (t24474) UTG+1 (t14450) MP1 (t17446) MP2 (t11478) CO (t15562) Button (t19626) SB (t18674) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, SB calls t1500, <font color="#993399">Hero . . .</font> I'm pretty sure that shoving is the right play, since I'm probably in the lead against their ranges. And with my stack, this is probably a good spot to make a stand. I'm also sure that just calling is quite bad. Is there an argument at all for folding and waiting for a chance that I can be first in or heads up only? [/ QUOTE ] To answer your last question 1st...NO. And pls don't listen if anyone tries to tell you folding is ok/the right play here. This is an easy shove, you're ahead of both of their ranges and u have good FE. This is one of the few situations where if i squeeze, i fear the caller (who might be trapping) more than the raiser. You've got the perfect size stack to squeeze with here, i would prob shove a pretty wide range here against 2 loose (but not crazy) players. |
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Re: 88 in BB against loose stealer and caller
SixForty, you got it down right, this is a push 100% of the time without a 2nd thought, you are easily crushing them here more times than not. GL, see you at the final table, I play a ton of those tourneys nightly.
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