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Old 08-07-2007, 05:49 AM
crovax4444 crovax4444 is offline
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Default $25 NL facing a river raise

Villain's stats are 50/12/1
He hasn't gotten out of line, or has caught my attention so far.
I'd also like to note this is a blind v blind battle, but we've never tangled with each other before

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $27.20
BB: $27.30
UTG: $24.65
MP: $32.40
CO: $29.30
BTN: $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q A (6 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, BB calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, BB calls $4.00

River: ($13.50) 2 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $20.00</font>,

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Old 08-07-2007, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

Villain is never bluffing here.
Fold.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:09 AM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

There's actually more to the hand than just what I should do, but there's actually a mistake I believe I made in the hand

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Old 08-07-2007, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

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There's actually more to the hand than just what I should do, but there's actually a mistake I believe I made in the hand

Crovax

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You can check call river, yes.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

bump

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Old 08-07-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

youre so beat on this river

villain probably has 10 8 for the nuts. congrats on donking into it 3 times

check call the river after youve been smooth called twice
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

[ QUOTE ]
There's actually more to the hand than just what I should do, but there's actually a mistake I believe I made in the hand

Crovax

[/ QUOTE ]

Edit: we are oop so checking the turn is not an option. Maybe a check raise? Maybe Saxa's line is good.

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Old 08-07-2007, 02:08 PM
ImprovinNewbie ImprovinNewbie is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

im pretty sure you have to call, he might be slow playing a set or made 2p on the river but he might be weakly bluffing witha missed T or thought his A on the turn gave him the best hand, that you were betting with a J and got beat on the turn.
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

Your line looks ok to me - you can bet a little less on the flop (not a big deal).

Let's think about the villains stats - 50/12/1

50 vpip - This guy plays a lot of hands, and it's a blind battle, he could be holding almost ATC here.

12 pfr - This is on the tighter end of preflop raising, but I've tried a style around this range. He'd probably re-raise big overpairs here preflop (AA,KK,etc)

1 ag - He's really passive. A turn raise from someone with this is a lot of trouble.

Flop - c-bet is standard

Turn - I think you have to bet here for value - he could have any J or 9 on the flop that just called.

River - This is a lot closer. I like a check, here's why (my original thought was value bet, but I have new reasoning

Betting the river:

Pros: prevents a big bluff, we have showdown value

Cons: We're behind almost all other Ax combos. AK, AJ, A9, A7 we're ahead of. We tie AQ. We only are really beating A8 and AT here, and neither make a lot of sense because he called your flop bet.

Checking the river:
Pros: Pot control, might induce a bluff from a weird draw hand
Cons: Might miss value if he's a total moron with something like JT.

I like a check/call. If you do bet, go smaller, like 1/2 pot.
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL facing a river raise

z28dreams, villain is loose/passive, not going to valuebet worse and bluffs very rarely. If you think we are beaten most often: check/fold, if we have any value: bet/fold or even bet/call, right? Why are you all even considering check/calling...

Another point though. AF=1 is a bit more than usually due the overall looseness.

Third point: The valuetarget is not Ax but Jx type of hands, he is capable of making that call I'm sure.
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