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Old 09-18-2007, 02:36 PM
urbanati urbanati is offline
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Default I outplays him...

Villain is 22/17/2.8, light 3-bettor, so I called planning to float him but I also hit a piece...
I wonder if this is a standard turn bet.
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200.00
CO: $200.00
urbanati: $245.35
SB: $460.00
BB: $189.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) urbanati is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $18</font>, BB folds, urbanati calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $26</font>, urbanati calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($90, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $55</font>...
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:53 PM
nitramee nitramee is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

standard indeed
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: I outplays him...

I think checking turn &gt; betting turn here. He might be going for stack-a-donk with an overpair and it puts you in a gay position when he raises. If he C/R's the turn with QQ+ you'll be getting about even odds to make a call so its not horrible but checking behind and calling a river bet on a blank and raising on 7,8,h is probably better.

I guess it depends on how often you think he'll fold 99-JJ
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:20 PM
shpanko shpanko is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

I hate getting c/r'ed here. I prefer to check behind because we have a ton of outs now and might already have the best hand and we don't need to bet to protect it.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:38 PM
AggJedi AggJedi is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

If you check this turn what is your plan on the river, how large of a bet will bet will you call on what card hitting? I prefer to just bet 3/4ths pot on the turn here as if you didnt hit the flop at all.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:41 PM
Pokerpudel Pokerpudel is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

on the turn he has something about 200$ left so I would bet something like 75$ and call a shove obv.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Demogorgon Demogorgon is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

Huh? We hit middle pair on the flop. And now we have a disguised flushdraw. I think this is well played if we check the turn.
Don't see what good betting does vs villains range here, unless we have a nitty &amp; passive image he's prob not folding anything we beat to one bet.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:53 PM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Re: I outplays him...

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I hate getting c/r'ed here. I prefer to check behind because we have a ton of outs now and might already have the best hand and we don't need to bet to protect it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed, don't bet turn urb. Check, fold to &gt;1/2 pot river bet if you don't improve.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: I outplays him...

See, my initial thoughts were to bet out here because that was are plan the whole way.

But, I do agree, checking and seeing the river is goot.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: I outplays him...

Ya I like checking turn, I'm not neccessarily folding to a &gt; 1/2 pot bet on river though. One of the main benefits of checking turn is to catch a river bluff which could easily be more than 1/2 pot. There are pros and cons to both turn actions but checking seems best, maybe the best part is that getting CR'd on turn really sucks.
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