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If we eliminated the primate order from Earth, which other order would have the best shot of developing abstract intelligence similar to humans?
Edit: Follow up question: Suppose in the future we discover the GUT and are able to build a perfect simulator of Earth. If the simulator is unable to develop beings of abstract thinking within its program from first principles, does this increase the likelihood of the theist's point of view? |
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By some measures, dolphins are considered more intelligent than primates. For example, I've read that other than humans, dolphins are the only other species known to engage in gang rape. Not the most pleasing example, to be sure, but it does demonstrate a sophisticated sense of social intelligence (team goal acquisition, communication, cooperation, etc).
Follow-up question: Yes, I think it does increase the likelihood of the theist perspective, but I think the simulation might need to iterate through countless numbers of initial "seed" configurations before we could conclude that the likelihood of intelligence resulting from chance is neglibly small. |
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By some measures, dolphins are considered more intelligent than primates. For example, I've read that other than humans, dolphins are the only other species known to engage in gang rape. Not the most pleasing example, to be sure, but it does demonstrate a sophisticated sense of social intelligence (team goal acquisition, communication, cooperation, etc). [/ QUOTE ] Elephants have been know to cover up their dead, and visit bones of deceased relatives (or the place where bones once were) years later. It seems that they have already reached a level of abstract thought. linky |
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Just been reading about dolphin tool use
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Instead of abstract thought, which order would be the first to develop the combustible engine? My guess would be Octopoda.
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If we eliminated the primate order from Earth, which other order would have the best shot of developing abstract intelligence similar to humans? [/ QUOTE ] Assuming you are not implying technological, I would guess dolphins have the highest level of abstract intelligence outside the primates. [ QUOTE ] Suppose in the future we discover the GUT [/ QUOTE ] Eh! What’s GUT? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] are able to build a perfect simulator of Earth. If the simulator is unable to develop beings of abstract thinking within its program from first principles, does this increase the likelihood of the theist's point of view? [/ QUOTE ] No. It would just mean we have not in fact build a perfect simulator, or we need to run the simulator though a few more times. In fact this could be considered a test to see if we have created a perfect simulator, making the question logically precarious. |
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Eh! What’s GUT? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] theory of everything. edit: according to link, i should have said "theory of almost everything." |
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Grand Unified Theory [/ QUOTE ] Ah! Of course! However I do not think the Grand Unified Theory is needed. The process whereby life developed was I suspect largely chemical. So to simulate the generation of life, it might only be necessary to model the earth at a chemical level, much simpler than the sub-nuclear level and hence maybe even possible at some later date. |
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We'll hardly need a GUT to develop AI exceeding human intelligence ("strong" AI.) That will be here within the next 30 years, assuming mankind doesn't self-destruct.
Once humans have created strong AI, it will go a long way towards demystifying most of what's supposedly "supernatural" about human consciousness. |
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