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07-19-2007, 12:03 AM
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Dennis Kucinich
<font color="purple">Dennis is by far the best semi-mainstream candidate to ever run for president. To me the other democratic candidates are lacking. Every position Dennis has I agree with. He NEVER voted for funding for the war. He won't take money from corporations. He is for NOT FOR PROFIT universal health care. He is the first true candidate running for president with integrity. How can you not love this guy? </font>
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07-19-2007, 12:08 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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How can you not love this guy? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He is for NOT FOR PROFIT universal health care. [/ QUOTE ] So he's economically retarded. Why would we want him in any position of authority?
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07-19-2007, 12:12 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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[ QUOTE ] How can you not love this guy? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He is for NOT FOR PROFIT universal health care. [/ QUOTE ] So he's economically retarded. Why would we want him in any position of authority? [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">What's wrong with not for profit health care? </font>
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07-19-2007, 06:58 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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<font color="purple">What's wrong with not for profit health care? </font> [/ QUOTE ] The problem is that it disallows competition and choice. The other problem is that it's an economic nightmare. Every single incentive for providing a good service or product is screwed up. Cuba has such a system. Russia had such a system. North Korea has such a system. What they would do in Russia is that they would centrally plan less deaths and order this to their hospitals. The result was that the hospitals would not accept people with serious health problems and/or they would shove people with serious conditions onto the streets. Thus the statistic of 'deaths in hospitals' was improved. Maybe instead of restricting freedom in healthcare, you should consider increasing freedom in healthcare. It's the restriction of freedom that has caused the problems that exist. There is massive restriction currently, and the trend has been an ever increasing buildup of govt involvement in the past 40 years. The results are telling of this govt involvement.
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07-19-2007, 09:36 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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Maybe instead of restricting freedom in healthcare, you should consider increasing freedom in healthcare. It's the restriction of freedom that has caused the problems that exist. There is massive restriction currently, and the trend has been an ever increasing buildup of govt involvement in the past 40 years. The results are telling of this govt involvement. [/ QUOTE ] Here's an interesting article on this history of the American Medial Association.
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07-20-2007, 12:05 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How can you not love this guy? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He is for NOT FOR PROFIT universal health care. [/ QUOTE ] So he's economically retarded. Why would we want him in any position of authority? [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">What's wrong with not for profit health care? </font> [/ QUOTE ] From the Financial Times: [ QUOTE ] Medical care involves far trickier challenges in balancing redistribution and incentives for quality care and innovation. It is one thing to guarantee everyone equal access to medical care when health expenditures account for 5 per cent of GDP, as they did in the early 1950s in the US. It is another thing to do so when health expenditures reach 16 per cent of GDP as they do today and it will be even more problematic if expenditures rise to 30 per cent of GDP, as some leading economists such as David Cutler, Robert Hall and Charles Jones have predicted. With healthcare at 30 per cent of GDP, efforts to maintain equality may begin to seem like Marxism. [/ QUOTE ] (Incidentally, i don't agree with socialized healthcare at any % of GDP - I just thought I'd point out the obvious pitfall to those who might not have considered it.)
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07-20-2007, 12:13 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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From the Financial Times: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medical care involves far trickier challenges in balancing redistribution and incentives for quality care and innovation. It is one thing to guarantee everyone equal access to medical care when health expenditures account for 5 per cent of GDP, as they did in the early 1950s in the US. It is another thing to do so when health expenditures reach 16 per cent of GDP as they do today and it will be even more problematic if expenditures rise to 30 per cent of GDP, as some leading economists such as David Cutler, Robert Hall and Charles Jones have predicted. With healthcare at 30 per cent of GDP, efforts to maintain equality may begin to seem like Marxism. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Incidentally, i don't agree with socialized healthcare at any % of GDP - I just thought I'd point out the obvious pitfall to those who might not have considered it.) [/ QUOTE ] Well, these are problems with centralized universal health care, not 'not-for-profit' health care, no? OP: I actually kind of like Kucinich, perhaps because he's like the only candidate (besides Paul, of course) who I think really has integrity. And while I'd probably support him over any other Democrat candidate, I can't say that I think very highly of his big government socialist "solutions" to the problems I think he (more or less correctly) discerns.
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07-20-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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Well, these are problems with centralized universal health care, not 'not-for-profit' health care, no? [/ QUOTE ] It's not just 'not-for-profit' health care. According to OP it's to be universal. Pretty unlikely that Kucinich's plan doesn't involve centralizing healthcare.
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#10
07-19-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: Dennis Kucinich
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Dennis is by far the best semi-mainstream candidate to ever run for president. [/ QUOTE ] ROTFLMAO @ semi-mainstream [ QUOTE ] To me the other democratic candidates are lacking. [/ QUOTE ] /AGREE but so is your guy [ QUOTE ] He NEVER voted for funding for the war. He won't take money from corporations. [/ QUOTE ] big deal .. a peacenik w/ no good solutions doesn't cut it. try . A Peace candidate w/ a real plan [ QUOTE ] He is for NOT FOR PROFIT universal health care. [/ QUOTE ] AT WHAT COST ? how much GDP and true utility for the poor and "less-fortunate" are you willing to give so you feel good about yourself? [ QUOTE ] He is the first true candidate running for president with integrity. [/ QUOTE ] BZZZZZT! I agree that he has integrity but My guy has integrity AND a workable solution [ QUOTE ] How can you not love this guy? [/ QUOTE ] ummmm vegans and hippies like him is enough for me. But apart from that not wanting to live in a bankrupt socialist country. Having said all that I applaud you for being a Liberal w/ a soul and not a win at all cost Hellery supporter.
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