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10-15-2007, 08:19 AM
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The case for recycling
So my office just "went green" which includes taking away the plastic cups for our coffee vending machine and paper towels from the toilet. Now most of my info on recycling comes from the Penn and Teller show but those guys aren't always 100% with the proofs. Obviously I'm skeptical of any government produced report who's reccommendation is more government power so I'm looking for some independant info on the pro's and cons of recycling certain products using electic hand dryers vs paper towels that sort of thing.
My concern is that little stuff like this doesn't actually help the environment much if at all but it makes people feel good for no reason and stops them thinking about actual solutions to environmental issues. Much like welfare hurts the poor and it stops people worrying about the poor and actually finding solutions to poverty. 
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10-15-2007, 11:21 AM
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Re: The case for recycling
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[ QUOTE ] Much like welfare hurts the poor [/ QUOTE ] !? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, I believe that is a concept a bit above your understanding of the principles of human behavior and economics. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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10-15-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: The case for recycling
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Much like welfare hurts the poor [/ QUOTE ] !? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, I believe that is a concept a bit above your understanding of the principles of human behavior and economics. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Much like this guy, who was so hurt by welfare that, when it was cut off, he transcended humanity and went to a better place.
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10-15-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: The case for recycling
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Much like welfare hurts the poor [/ QUOTE ] !? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, I believe that is a concept a bit above your understanding of the principles of human behavior and economics. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Much like this guy, who was so hurt by welfare that, when it was cut off, he transcended humanity and went to a better place. [/ QUOTE ] So you think that's a good way to form policy? Rank anecdotes? There are alot of intelligent and well-informed liberals that don't have to resort to those tactics. It's a shame that man died. It's also a shame that he wasn't working to support himself, too!
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10-15-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: The case for recycling
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So you think that's a good way to form policy? Rank anecdotes? [/ QUOTE ] Read the article. He wasn't alone and seems to be part of a pattern in Japan. [ QUOTE ] There are alot of intelligent and well-informed liberals that don't have to resort to those tactics. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, boo hoo. The use of anecdotal evidence is discouraged when it comes out of nowhere, flies to the contrary of established facts, or happens to be unprovable. "Well, I was robbed by a fleet footed black man, so..." is a dumb argument. "Hey, this society is stingy with their welfare plans and, as a result, they've got people starving to death" is not. [ QUOTE ] It's a shame that man died. It's also a shame that he wasn't working to support himself, too! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, screw that guy. A minimal percentage of death by starvation is perfectly acceptable in glorious Libertopia.
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10-15-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: The case for recycling
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Much like welfare hurts the poor [/ QUOTE ] !? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, I believe that is a concept a bit above your understanding of the principles of human behavior and economics. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Much like this guy, who was so hurt by welfare that, when it was cut off, he transcended humanity and went to a better place. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. The system made him dependant on the system and then he was unable to deal with the real world on his own when the system withdrew its "support."
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10-15-2007, 08:55 AM
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Re: The case for recycling
I think it has to start _somewhere_. Recycling may not always be the most effective thing yet, but I think the principle is sound enough and we will definitively need it in the future. Obviously resource management and recycling has much greater scope than environmental issues alone.
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#10
10-15-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: The case for recycling
I also am limited to the Penn & Teller when it comes to recycling info. However, for those ACist, I would think they would support it as a technological achievement in efficiency for resources. So to recycle would be like being an early adopter, possibly?
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