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Your Wrong
To fight for Poker regulation only. Sports betting is also a skill despite what people believe. It's like comparing Beer vs Wine. There both alcohol. Make one legal and the other not doesn't make sense. This UIGEA thing is not about what is more of a skill than another - it is about our freedoms and rights as citizens of the US. If people want to gamble then let them gamble. Unite with the sports betting industry and and you will be 10x more powerful. The momentum has definetly changed back to us. Keep up the pressure. Just my thoughts.
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Re: Your Wrong
No, you're wrong. Until you learn to write effectively, nobody will care what you have to say. Learn some grammar and proper spelling.
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Re: Your Wrong
Beer and wine is not how politicians see poker/sports gambling. Fighting for poker is hard enough as it is, why throw in a losing battle into the mix. Although personally I think sports gambling should be legal, it would be a losing battle for us.
It is more strategy as I have no issues (as most here don't) personally with sports gambling. How many cosponsers would Wexler's bill have if sports gambling was included? Close to zero. |
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Re: Your Wrong
While you may be correct on the personal freedoms issue, the reality is that sports betting has 10x the uphill battle that poker does. It would be unwise of poker to hitch together.
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Poker and sports face vastly different political landscapes/minefields
Poker is NOT covered by the Wire Act.
While the Wire Act's prohibitions on sports betting businesses may be "wrong" to you and me, it is not necessary to try and overturn that to "legitimize" poker If you were correct that "poker" would be 10x stronger by throwing in with "sports", that does not mean that its burden would not be 20x as large. While the calculation is not that simple, poker may already have sufficient political weight to overcome its own political opposition. The added opposition, from folks like the NCAA/NFL/ESPN, which is a sure thing on "sports" issues, may be less involved in a poker-only fight. Similarly, the potential allies, such as skill-games providers, may be less inclined to battle for sports-tainted rights. The smae argument, to a lesser degree, may be made about poker-only v casino games relative strengths. |
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Re: Poker and sports face vastly different political landscapes/minefi
I really cant see any way in which the PPA or us poker players can convince the NFL etc... to support legal sports betting. "Skill v. chance" has nothing to do with the opposition of these powerful enemies. Convince them yourselves that allowing you to bet on their games wont affect "the integrity of the sport" and THEN we can talk about being allies for personal rights.
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Re: Poker and sports face vastly different political landscapes/minefi
I would throw sports betting under the bus in a heartbeat. There is no way that you can tell me that sports are not fixed, especially after the Broncos/Bears game.
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Re: Poker and sports face vastly different political landscapes/minefi
Well how would you feel if Antigua threw poker under the bus for sports betting? Considering it has done 10x more than anyone for remote gaming don't line up to hate. Its massively
more popular than poker by handle and most likely by participation. And the legalization arguments are much more rational. |
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Re: Poker and sports face vastly different political landscapes/minefi
Sports gambling = fixed games
Sports gambling is worse that casino gaming as sports has no way to audit to determine if the games are fixed. Poker > sports gambling Personally, I am about done with poker as the games are getting too hard for me to beat, so I really don't care. I have never beat sports gambling, though I have kept records of picks for years and I have only broken even. The window is closing on the PPA momentum to get legislation passed before the games dry up. |
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Antigua can look after its own interests, which may not be sports\'
I like Antigua, the beaches are extremely nice, the beer is swill, but the rum is top-grade.
However, you miss the point. Antigua will not throw poker under the bus because it cannot do so. For Antigua's online gaming sector, it is all or nothing. Ironically, the real danger, although small, is that Antigua might yet throw online gambling under the WTO bus in favor of a really sweet tourism or financial services industry development commitment and jobs for Antiguans. (Consider what a 3,000 person call center for VISA, MasterCard or someone similar would mean to Antiguans. Add to that the financial services industry profits from processing transactions. Considering also the legal leverage that the US has over VISA/Mastercard for processing coded gaming transaction, why think that it is not possible for DOJ to kill two birds with one stone ?) |
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