HORSE Freeroll FTP [Razz Hand]

[Chip753]

What about this play?
I was absolutely not sure about my call on fifth street: what do you think?

[Sorry but, I don't know why, the converter did not convert it]

Full Tilt Poker Game #4121991784: $100 Freeroll (31226648), Table 55 - 150/300 Ante 25 - Limit Razz - 19:03:02 ET - 2007/11/09
Seat 1: Villain (4,890)
Seat 2: xxx1 (6,868)
Seat 3: xxx2 (5,905)
Seat 4: xxx3 (3,725), is sitting out
Seat 5: xxx4 (620), is sitting out
Seat 6: Hero (3,573)
Seat 7: xxx5 (655), is sitting out
Seat 8: xxx6 (4,952)
Villain antes 25
xxx1 antes 25
xxx2 antes 25
xxx3 antes 25
xxx4 antes 25
Hero antes 25
xxx5 antes 25
xxx6 antes 25
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Villain [3s]
Dealt to xxx1 [5h]
Dealt to xxx2 [Js]
Dealt to xxx3 [Qs]
Dealt to xxx4 [5s]
Dealt to Hero [3h 4d] [6d]
Dealt to xxx5 [Jd]
Dealt to xxx6 [8d]
xxx3 is high with [Qs]
xxx3 brings in for 50
xxx4 folds
Hero completes it to 150
xxx5 folds
xxx6 folds
Villain calls 150
xxx1 folds
xxx2 folds
xxx3 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Villain [3s] [Ah]
Dealt to Hero [3h 4d 6d] [2s]
Villain bets 150
Hero calls 150
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Villain [3s Ah] [4s]
Dealt to Hero [3h 4d 6d 2s] [2c]
Villain bets 300
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls 300
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Villain [3s Ah 4s] [7d]
Dealt to Hero [3h 4d 6d 2s 2c] [3c]
Villain bets 300
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of 300 returned to Villain
Villain mucks
Villain wins the pot (1,450)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Villain collected (1,450), mucked
Seat 2: xxx1 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: xxx2 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: xxx3 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: xxx4 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: Hero folded on 6th St.
Seat 7: xxx5 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: xxx6 folded on 3rd St.

[RustyBrooks]

There is a seperate converter for FTP... it's on the same site as the other converter. I'll muddle through this hand and then post on that though.

[RustyBrooks]

I think I'd like a raise on 4th but sometimes I just call. Occaisonally it will help you out in the hand.

5th... well, it's tough. If you'd raised 4th he might have checked 5th and then you have the option to check behind or bet yourself. Often you are drawing very live because villain can have about anything... a pair, etc. Even if he has a low it might be an 8 of some kind, etc. It's very villain-dependent.

I think the fold on 6th is OK.

[Chip753]

This is another hand.
What about that?

Tournament - Razz (500/1,000), Ante 100 (converter)

Seat 1: 14,005
Seat 2: 540
Seat 3: 303
Seat 4: 24,153
Seat 5: 4,409
Seat 6: 51,590
Seat 7: 7,789
Hero: 8,968

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes it to 203 (all-in)
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.01 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.00 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (5.00 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

River - (7.00 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___all-in
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises

Total pot: (11.00 BB - 11,003)

Results (in white):<font color="white">

Total pot 11,003 Main pot 1,409. Side pot 9,594. | Rake 0

Note: this site shuffles the hole cards.

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On the river it is possible to consider it as a value bet but, basically, I was sure to have already beaten him.

[Chip753]

If I used the twodimes calculator in the correct way, in this last hand I win on the river 67.94 percent.
Considering that this is the first time that I use converter, did I read the analysis in the correct way?
Is it correct to raise?

[RustyBrooks]

Are you assuming random hole cards for your opponent? If so, then that's wrong... use www.propokertools.com, it lets you intelligently assign hand ranges to your opponent.

I don't like 3rd at all.

You really think your 98 was winning on 6th? That seems unlikely and here's why
* the raw chance that your opponent has a pair if he started with a quality hand is about 50%
* however, look at his up cards - A 3 5
- you have and A and a 3
- Seat 3 shows and A and a 3
- an A and a 3 already folded. There are 12 cards of A35... there are only 3 unaccounted for...
conclusion: it's very unlikely that he paired.

So in order for you to be ahead, he needs to have a hidden pair, two cards 8 and above, or one card above 9, or one of the remaining three 5s. Now it's possible he'd try to isolate against the short stack with something like A89 or A2T but if he did that's pretty silly, really. There's almost nothing to gain from such a gamble, and he'd actually generally prefer that the guy gets knocked out rather than double up.

Oh and the HH is weird... did the T open complete or did he call a completion? Or are they both considered completes because the first one wasn't a full one?

[Andy B]

I culled "$100 Freeroll" from the first line and that seemed to do the trick.

Tournament - Razz (150/300), Ante 25, Bring-In 50 (converter)

Seat 1: 4,890
Seat 2: 6,868
Seat 3: 5,905
Seat 4: 3,725
Seat 5: 620
Hero: 3,573
Seat 7: 655
Seat 8: 4,952

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 7: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.67 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.83 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (4.83 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (4.83 BB - 1,450)

[PrimeNut]

Chip, there are two flaws to your logic on the second hand.

1) He has no bluff potential against an all-in. He must go to showdown to win the pot. To complete with a hand worse than the all-in's ten high would be silly. Granted maniacs, especially in a free-roll, sometimes do silly things.

2) Even a silly maniac can be dealt (9-9-)A. In fact, he will be dealt (9-9-)A only a little bit less often then (T+8-)A. So even if you think he'd play (T+8-)A, you have to average the two simulations.

I would fold third. You are a ahead of (T-8+)A but behind (8-8-)A. Let the maniac have this one, take his chips away from him later when you get a 3 card 7.

Definitely do not raise 7th.

[betgo]

1st hand, I would call 6th with a 6 draw.

2nd hand, I would fold 3rd. Calling 3rd is a freeroll play.

[PrimeNut]

Here's how to use enter your opponent's hand for the first three cards. What is the worst card you think he will have in the hole - you think it is a King - so enter "(K-". What is the second worst card you think he'd have in the hole - you think it is an 8 so enter "8-". Enter is upcard: "A)".

End result: (K-8-A)

This isn't perfect, but it is close enough. For example, you think he'd play 44A or 4AA and that is not covered above.