Ah6h - Ks6dQs

[sir.Oliver]

0,05/0,10 Fixed-Limit Hold'em <font color="blue">(10 handed)</font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0,05.
<font color="grey">6 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, <font color="grey">BU folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="grey">BB folds</font>.

Flop: (5,00 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, <font color="red">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="green">Hero?</font>.
<ul type="square">just fold to the donk?
i wanted to see if he's just bluff-donking. but what to do after the 3-bet?[/list]Final Pot: 5,00 BB

[V4P]

Can you really find a fold now that the pot is beyond bloated?

I'd also never fold this flop to a donk.

[sir.Oliver]

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Can you really find a fold now that the pot is beyond bloated?

I'd also never fold this flop to a donk.

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that's true.


but what would be the best line:
1. call the donk
2. raise the donk and call a 3-bet
3. raise the donkt and fold to a 3-bet

and if he had just called my raise on flop, should i fold to a donk on the turn (unless the turn improves my hand to trips) - i mean, if there is no 3rd flush-card.

[V4P]

Sorry that I didn't mention it in my original post...

1)Definitely just CALL the flop donk...Versus an unknown I'm willing to fold to another bet on the turn, but I tend to get pretty stubborn on flops like these depending on the opponent

2+3)Raising the flop is beyond bad, but if you do raise, you can't fold to a 3bet

In my games when people just call the flop and donk the turn, its usually a semi-bluff, so I don't like giving up. If thats a standard move in your games, look him up on brickish turns and rivers. If not, you can safely fold

[Aaron W.]

Don't raise the flop unless you're trying to find a reason to fold on the turn.

[Bulletproof Monk]

call and fold turn ui

raise is good here, calling sucks because we commit ourselves to another 2BB with a hand that is SAWB, and folding is just weak.

[sir.Oliver]

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call and fold turn ui

raise is good here, calling sucks because we commit ourselves to another 2BB with a hand that is SAWB, and folding is just weak.

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SAWB?
I don't understand what you mean exactly: Is my flop-raise good in your opinion or bad? (because you said first call flop, fold turn ui - and then raise is good, calling sucks) : )

[bozlax]

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calling sucks because we commit ourselves to another 2BB with a hand that is SAWB

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How so? We're getting 6:1 immediate, and our position means we have decent implieds, on the flop and there's a non-zero chance that Villan is just taking a shot and will give us a free card on the turn. Once he fails to give us said free card, we're getting 4.5:1 immediate and our implieds are reduced significantly because there's only one street left.

Call the flop donk, take the free card or fold the turn UI. If you see an ace or six, go to war.

Edit: Oliver, SAWB = Slightly Ahead, Way Behind, a variation on WA/WB (Way Ahead, Way Behind). The idea is that if you're ahead, Villan is likely to have a lot of outs against you, and if you're behind you likely have very few outs against him.

[sir.Oliver]

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Edit: Oliver, SAWB = Slightly Ahead, Way Behind, a variation on WA/WB (Way Ahead, Way Behind). The idea is that if you're ahead, Villan is likely to have a lot of outs against you, and if you're behind you likely have very few outs against him.

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Ah, thanks! Never heard about this one before.

Whats the best line for SA/WB: F(b/f)-T(c/f ui), F(b/c)-T(c/f ui) or F(c/c)-T(c/f ui)?

[bozlax]

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Whats the best line for SA/WB: F(b/f)-T(c/f ui), F(b/c)-T(c/f ui) or F(c/c)-T(c/f ui)?

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Depends. In this case, in position, it's easy to peel the flop and fold the turn UI. The factors influencing your decision, generally, are a lot the same as WA/WB: you don't want to give your opp a reason to get away from the hand with a worse hand, you don't want to give him a means of getting more bets out of you with a better hand, yada yada. The biggest difference is that you should be more inclined to fold.

Say, in this case, you were oop. Well, you're c-betting because you pfr'd and caught a piece of the flop. Villan raises. You call the raise with odds, and c/f the turn UI. otoh, you c-bet and Villan just calls...your action UI on the turn is difficult, but if you bet and he raises, you have to fold. But check-fold is too weak. That's why you want a read on your opponent before you try a steal-raise with a middling hand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]