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There is a raise to $6, about 4 callers, then a guy in LP raises to $25.
it folds around to the person before the $25 raiser who is thinking about what to do. $25 raiser thinks everyone folded and throws his hand into the middle (touched two other cards). People were questioning what to do in this situation. Floor was called. Dealer explained everything fine and the floor said he could take his $25 bet back and the other player gets the rest of the pot. |
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Im not 100% on the rules - but this is a perfect example of why i never push my cards to the dealer until he pushes the pot to me.
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There is a raise to $6, about 4 callers, then a guy in LP raises to $25. it folds around to the person before the $25 raiser who is thinking about what to do. $25 raiser thinks everyone folded and throws his hand into the middle (touched two other cards). People were questioning what to do in this situation. Floor was called. Dealer explained everything fine and the floor said he could take his $25 bet back and the other player gets the rest of the pot. [/ QUOTE ] His hand touching two other cards does not automatically kill it. If his hand is identifiable, give it back to him and play on. If its not...well, I don't know if this makes sense, but give him $19 back. The amount he called before he raised it up to 25. At 1/2 NL I can see giving him the whole $25 back, but I really don't think that's fair. His raise got all those other players out and to act as though his raise never happened just because he screwed up doesn't seem right. |
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From Roberts Rules, quoted in another thread here i just read:
"2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved and ruled live at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. An extra effort should be made to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player." |
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From Roberts Rules, quoted in another thread here i just read: "2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved and ruled live at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. An extra effort should be made to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player." [/ QUOTE ] Precisely. If the other player wasn't hiding his cards then we're not going to try extra hard to find his hand. But if it is identifiable (probably involving player or dealer identifying cards and player telling the floor what they are for verification) he should get them back. I don't like killing his hand and giving him his whole raise back since that induced heavy action. At the VERY least I'd leave his $6 in there for the call (to the player with the live hand) and move on with life. |
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There is a raise to $6, about 4 callers, then a guy in LP raises to $25. it folds around to the person before the $25 raiser who is thinking about what to do. $25 raiser thinks everyone folded and throws his hand into the middle (touched two other cards). People were questioning what to do in this situation. Floor was called. Dealer explained everything fine and the floor said he could take his $25 bet back and the other player gets the rest of the pot. [/ QUOTE ] No. Bad floor call IMHO. And the fact that the guys cards "touched" two other cards is irrelevant as long as they are retrievable. The guy who threw his cards thinking he was the only player left still has a live hand. The other player simply knows what he has. Giving money back to a player who acted fooishly is just a bad policy...again IMHO. The guy who was [perhaps] hiding his cards could get a KITN I suppose, that depends on the sitch, and that was not described in the OP. |
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If the OP's story is accurate, the floorman at MGM needs to re-read the rule book. Unless of course the MGM rule book has non-standard rules, then we are all wrong.
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Over here in the Netherlands they have betting lines and the rooms are supernitty about that. Everything over the line is not yours anymore. If you call but there had been a raise in front of you which you had missed, then your initial call has to stay in the pot. I even saw the same situation happen as OP described, the raisers cards didn't even touch any other cards (which as others have pointed out doesn't matter as long as they are clearly identifiable), but the raiser was forced to give up his hand AND his raise.
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Over here in the Netherlands they have betting lines and the rooms are supernitty about that. Everything over the line is not yours anymore. If you call but there had been a raise in front of you which you had missed, then your initial call has to stay in the pot. I even saw the same situation happen as OP described, the raisers cards didn't even touch any other cards (which as others have pointed out doesn't matter as long as they are clearly identifiable), but the raiser was forced to give up his hand AND his raise. [/ QUOTE ] To whom would he give up his raise? The house certainly doesn't deserve it. The sole remaining player, who never called his raise, wouldn't seem to deserve it. In fact, the sole remaining player may have only x chips remaining and the raise could have been for 10x the amount of chips he had. So does the house just confiscate the money? |
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The sole remaining player got the chips. I don't remember if he put in chips to call the raise. I do remember he said to the floor when he got to the table something like "you ARE going to abide by the rules, aren't you?" meaning he knew he had the worst hand and was only going to win the pot on a technicality.
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