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Old 09-21-2007, 01:02 AM
Swatched Swatched is offline
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Default 5/10 J10s flop decision

Don't have HH for this but here goes.

I've been playing really tight so far but haven't played many hands yet so I don't know if villain sees this. As for villain I have no reads yet.

Hero: $1000.00 Villain covers. 4 handed

J10cc I have the Button raise 35, SB folds, BB makes it 135.

I call.

Flop comes:

3 9 8 rainbow.

He bets 190 (675 behind), I...?
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Old 09-21-2007, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

shove obv.

but you should fold pf
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

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shove obv.

but you should fold pf

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Agreed.Stacks aren't deep enough to call 100 more with JTs.
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

Thanks for the input this is basically what I hoped to hear.
I did shove flop, villain had KK. Reason why I posted this is because there was some interesting chat afterwards regarding my flop play, and I began to question it myself.
Preflop I will agree to though, not enough to indicate a light 3-bet.

PS. hit a Q.
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Old 09-21-2007, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

push
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Old 09-21-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

Either push or call and shove turn
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Old 09-21-2007, 02:47 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

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Either push or call and shove turn

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villian could easily push turn, and we have to fold.
push all in is the only options here.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

Definite flop push, and I agree with other posters about folding preflop.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

ummm push? how is this even a question?
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:03 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 J10s flop decision

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Either push or call and shove turn

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You are seeing the stack sizes right&gt;?

If you got the villain on an big overpair how isnt he going to call getting those odds by a turn reraise by us...and how isnt he going to push or at the very least pot stick himself with a big bet on turn if he say has queens and another undercard hits the board.

I GUESS you could call/steal if he checks but obviously that isnt preferrable to pushing here....especially bc its a rainbow.

He is going to think you hit top 2 or a set and fold or gamble with you...I think he will grudgingly fold mostly though and with the money already in that makes it a fine play.

Id probably fold preflop heads up bc 100 bucks is just too steep when folding equity is lessened by such a show of strength...but it depends on the game/opponent.

A fold preflop is almost always correct the reraiser does a good job of raising enough to make this a bad play...if he only raised TOO 100 its a different story really.

A jack high flop here blows BTW unless you have a really good read on the reraiser.
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