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Do I pay off too much?
Lately I feel like I make too many crying calls on the river. Give me the verdict on these hands. I won't say before, if MHIG or not.
All of these are Commerce 9/18, which means semi-loose to very loose game, with moderate aggression. Tell me WWYD... Hand 1: I have A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in CO EP1 limps, EP2 limps, I limp, button raises, all blinds and limpers call. Flop A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Checked to me, I bet, button and SB call. Turn 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Checked to me, I bet, button folds, SB check-raises, I call. River 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB bets, I call. Hand 2: I have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in 7 hand deal, I raise from button +4. Button CCs two, others fold. Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet, button calls. Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I bet, button calls. River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I check, button bets, I call. Hand 3: MP limps, I raise K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] from button. Heads up to flop. Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Check, I bet, limper calls. Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Check, I bet, limper calls. River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Limper bets, I call. |
#2
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
Hand 1 raise PF and check/raise the flop. I call the river.
Hand 2 I play the same. They'll call the flop with stuff they shouldn't, pick off that bluff. Hand 3 easy call. With a read I could see raising and folding to a 3 bet. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
For Hand 1, the idea of check-raising the flop is indeed probably better than betting out. Good advice.
Obviously I am never folding on the turn with my outs. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
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Hand 1 raise PF and check/raise the flop. I call the river. Hand 2 I play the same. They'll call the flop with stuff they shouldn't, pick off that bluff. Hand 3 easy call. With a read I could see raising and folding to a 3 bet. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
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Hand 1 raise PF and check/raise the flop. I call the river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think a preflop raise always is the best option here, but that's depending on reads on the limpers. I think calling is fine. I like check/rasing the flop though, most players will bet KK-JJ when checked to. The only hands not betting this flop is probably KQ/KJs/QJs and not all players will raise these preflop. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
Hand 1:
I pay off the river since the pot is very big. Hand 2: Bet the river unless you have a read on villain as tricky/bluffy. Hand 3: Very easy call. I would rather raise this than fold, even though calling is best. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
Hand 1: Fold the river. Opponent was waiting to C/R with 2 others in the hand. I think you can respect his turn raise as being more than top pair decent kicker.
edit: I was only commenting on the river here. Def raise preflop. Bet flop. Hand 2: I like the way you played this I think. Checking may induce a missed flush draw or a medium PP to bet. Hand 3: This is pretty tough since you have gotten very little info from MP1. I think just calling is fine because a 3-bet would be nasty. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
i don't think any of these are too bad at all...
hand 1: when raised on turn, you have serious outs to nuts/possible higher two pair... worth a showdown IMO hand #2... river requires either a bet/fold or check-call IMO... folding's not really an option here... i like the bet fold to give me value when ahead here... but check folding gives villain too much of an opportunity to put you off the best hand... hand #3: river donk has me concerned and it is likely that you're behind... definite call though |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
Hand 1: Call the turn, I'm torn about calling the river. Without a read, I probably call. If it's a solid player, I can find a fold. Looks like a slowplayed set to me.
Hand 2: Your river check will induce many worse hands to bet. You're good plenty often enough here to be worth a call. Hand 3: Villain is on a WA/WB line. Call and expect to see a king with a worse kicker, probably KTs or KJs. |
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Re: Do I pay off too much?
Hand 1 seems close. I don't think you're ahead that often at all. I could really go either way.
Hand 2 I bet/fold the river. Hand 3 seems fine. |
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