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Old 09-19-2007, 11:44 PM
Michaelson Michaelson is offline
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Default KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

Villain is unknown. I'm not sure how I doubled up on this table.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $201.00
BB: $176.00
UTG: $559.84
MP: $795.02
CO: $323.39
Hero (BTN): $379.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $42.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $140.00</font>, UTG calls $98.00

Flop: ($283) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $130.00</font>, Hero?
Pot Size: $413.00
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

weird spot, i prob curse a bit and fold
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

stack off.
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:53 PM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

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stack off.

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Old 09-20-2007, 12:00 AM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

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stack off.

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come on, this is ridiculous. villain is "unknown." this does not mean he is handicapped. Try and consider how often this villain we don't have a read on has to be bluffing for a call down or a shove here to be +ev.

Why do you think villain is bluffing here?
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

he looks pretty donkish jk3a this could easilt be QQ seeing where its at.

im 50/50 i dont mind calling down or folding
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

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he looks pretty donkish jk3a this could easilt be QQ seeing where its at.

im 50/50 i dont mind calling down or folding

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I obv. can't disagree that his play looks donkish, but he has to be betting worse &gt; 30% of the time for this to be near breakeven. I honestly don't feel like you'll see a worse hand often enough.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:07 AM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

thats fair enough.

i have absolutely no experience in this spot so i cant really be sure. Just seems pretty crap to put 70bbs in pf to fold to this donkey here. idk. as i said im 50/50 would like to hear other opinions.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

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im 50/50 i dont mind calling down or folding


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And the 4-bet looks a little big, no?
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop

i agree, i think i like calling down here but its not like folding is bad or anything... it seems really close.
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