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50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
Pokertracker has villian at 22.5/18/2 postflop agg. over 89 hands. I remember him more like 18/13 though for some reason.
Ok I have two questions here....first the usual what is my move here question. After answering this though please scroll down a little further and take a crack at the second one....it's interesting I think. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP ($74.20) CO ($48.25) Hero ($50.25) SB ($90.80) BB ($48.85) UTG ($50) Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.6</font>, SB calls $3.60. Turn: ($11.70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $12</font>, Hero ??? Second question in white...highlight to read: <font color="white"> I timed down thinking that this made like no sense. I eventually figured most likely a draw that just got some help like a flush draw with a straight draw now or flush draw with a pair or some combination of those. So I timed all the way down and I shoved. He folded and the following short chat took place (this is about how it went...it's from memory): Villian: Hollywood Loser Me: What's that? I wasn't hollywooding....I was thinking. Villian: Sure. Me: Your line made no sense. Villian: Go read 2+2. Me: (That made me chuckle a bit.) Don't say that at the tables....and your line still made no sense. Villian: Don't say what at the tables. 2plus2.com Soon after he then said that he had blocked my chat. So my question is what hand have we at 2+2 been advising people to play in this way here at 50NL? Especially one that he then folds to my push??? I'm pretty lost on this one. </font> |
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
stupid comment by him... your line absolutly made sense..
His on the other hand... maybe a babyflush trying to protect his hand... But honestly, i have to idea... |
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
Here at 2+2 we advocate protecting our blinds, so he should call with any semi-decent hand and probably woulda raised with anything fairly big, given his stats. (if he's following this reasoning). After that I'm not certain what he'd have. Maybe the 7 helped him and he was holding A7s. I can't see him with 77, I can see him with some lower pp, none of which hit, and maybe he was holding 1 diamond with whatever hand he had, but can't call an all in correctly as you are only giving him 1.5:1 pot odds to win with a draw on the river. Even with an OESD and flush draw, it wouldn't be "correct" to call 1.5:1, (say with 55 one being a diamond or something). Also in HU blind steal position situations, I find c-bets are given less respect, and he could just be trying to bluff you out on the turn... poorly at that...
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
i fold the turn. looks to me like we r bluff catchin only even if he is bluffin he prolly has a ton of equity against our hand.
why did u shove the turn?!?!?! wut worse hands r calling u??? |
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
call turn if you think he doesnt have you beat
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
[ QUOTE ]
Here at 2+2 we advocate protecting our blinds, so he should call with any semi-decent hand and probably woulda raised with anything fairly big, given his stats. (if he's following this reasoning). After that I'm not certain what he'd have. Maybe the 7 helped him and he was holding A7s. I can't see him with 77, I can see him with some lower pp, none of which hit, and maybe he was holding 1 diamond with whatever hand he had, but can't call an all in correctly as you are only giving him 1.5:1 pot odds to win with a draw on the river. Even with an OESD and flush draw, it wouldn't be "correct" to call 1.5:1, (say with 55 one being a diamond or something). Also in HU blind steal position situations, I find c-bets are given less respect, and he could just be trying to bluff you out on the turn... poorly at that... [/ QUOTE ] Your post is pretty much completely wrong: Calling here OOP with any semi-decent hand is very poor. Most hands should either be 3bet or folded by villian here. And he's not getting 1.5 to 1. He's getting better than 2 to 1 so calling with a flush draw and OESD would be standard. [ QUOTE ] i fold the turn. looks to me like we r bluff catchin only even if he is bluffin he prolly has a ton of equity against our hand. why did u shove the turn?!?!?! wut worse hands r calling u??? [/ QUOTE ] Draws I think. Maybe even KdQx. And yea I'd expect his draws have decent equity vs. me, but I just didn't believe that he would play a hand that already had me like that. (Of course I didn't think he'd play a draw or a worse hand like that either really but this seemed more likely to me than the former.) [ QUOTE ] call turn if you think he doesnt have you beat [/ QUOTE ] Really? Cause basically the only way he doesn't have me beat is if he has some draw or a piece and a draw. [ QUOTE ] Your 2nd question is interesting. Villains line could be a call-cbet and try to take it away line. I can't put him on a hand but maybe 22-33, TT,JJ, whiffed AK,AJ,AT, or complete air although its hard to come up with Air that doesn't have some sort of draw. Whiffed Ax is the best I can come up with. [/ QUOTE ] I think so too. It's hard to figure what he played like this IMO. And the fact that he implied this is the way 2+2 would advise his hand to be played really surprised me and makes me really wonder what he actually had. |
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
Reraise is std here IMO.
Your 2nd question is interesting. Villains line could be a call-cbet and try to take it away line. I can't put him on a hand but maybe 22-33, TT,JJ, whiffed AK,AJ,AT, or complete air although its hard to come up with Air that doesn't have some sort of draw. Whiffed Ax is the best I can come up with. |
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Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn
Bump.
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