Folding flopped wrap 3-way on rainbow board?

roggles · #1 10-23-2007, 04:33 PM

NOTE: It is CAP! The cap is only $40

I thought for the entire time before finally folding, the reasoning being that it seems pretty likely that someone else also has TK.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1 capped game
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) roggles is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, roggles calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $6</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, roggles calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($25, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $25</font>, BB calls, CO folds, roggles folds.

gordo16 · #2 10-23-2007, 05:01 PM

terrible fold in a capped game IMO. I mean, what flop are you looking for if youre not going to continue with that one?

CrushinFelt · #3 10-23-2007, 05:19 PM

lol come on, hwo can you be folding this

wazz · #4 10-23-2007, 05:48 PM

'it seems pretty likely that someone else also has TK.'

why?

sqwisssssss · #5 10-23-2007, 06:19 PM

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terrible fold in a capped game IMO. I mean, what flop are you looking for if youre not going to continue with that one?

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looks like a good hand to raise on the button pre flop too.

roggles · #6 10-23-2007, 07:06 PM

I find it likely that someone has TK because high wrap hands is a type of hand a lot of people play. TK appears often, and there is a lot of action from two different players. The only things to have on this flop are a straight draw or a set. So I find TK likely.

Twodimes show I have about 0.25 EV on money being put in here if another player has TK, and first player has AA. If SB has AA and the other player has a set I still only have 0.25 EV. So really, no matter what they have, I have bad equity in this spot.

edit: I needed to tone down the last paragraph a little bit because chucky's comment made me angry. Are you guys sure you've really thought this hand through or are you just thinking "insta-allin wraps"? Also, I don't understand why you guys want to go all-in so much on draws just because it's cap...

chucky · #7 10-23-2007, 07:24 PM

The reason why everyone is reacting this way is because this is a great flop for you. If you are folding on this flop, then you really should not play the hand.

roggles · #8 10-23-2007, 07:27 PM

I disagree. There are good spots on the flop for this hand. I don't think this is one (as per my argument above). The board is great for my hand, but my hand doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are other players. I think it's a bad spot, with my reasoning above. Do you think I am wrong?

sqwisssssss · #9 10-23-2007, 07:29 PM

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I find it likely that someone has TK because high wrap hands is a type of hand a lot of people play. TK appears often, and there is a lot of action from two different players. The only things to have on this flop are a straight draw or a set. So I find TK likely.

Twodimes show I have about 0.25 EV on money being put in here if another player has TK, and first player has AA. If SB has AA and the other player has a set I still only have 0.25 EV. So really, no matter what they have, I have bad equity in this spot.

I can't believe you guys are giving me so much [censored] because you think this hand is 100 % straightforward and you always shove any draw because it's cap! Let's play worse poker because we're shortstacked.

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no, we are not giving you any crap......dont take it that way.

the point is that you called the raise pre flop. obviously, you'd love to flop the nuts and you hand has a lot of potential to flop the nuts........but it flopped the secondary option and thats a big draw with a pair with back door flush draw potential and your getting multiway action. the turn could be a jack giving you trips and the best hand. you might make 2 pair giving you the best hand as well.

what was it exactly you were looking for? would you rather stack off heads up? i'm not trying to be a smart ass. i'm just asking.

i go with this spot all day in a capped game if i have your hand. i'm totally in love with this hand getting multi action espeacially. peoples stack off requirements go down as well in capped game. i been in a lot of these spots and found i had the only draw to the nuts. true, you might be right about sharing the k 10 but it doesnt happen enough to make this situation unprofitable.

i think looking at this situation your way is splitting a hair too many times. good poker is just educated "gambling". you have a great spot to gamble here. now go on and get your chips in there.

i'm not trying to lecture you robbles. your a thinking player obviously and you dont need lecturing. i just believe if someone is going to give you reasons, then i try to explain my reasoning. i'm not right all the time......no one is.......but i think this spot is good in a capped game......and i'm kind of a nit.

i understand your reasoning though. unreason it and shove your chips in the middle. wash rinse repeat and go to the next hand.

roggles · #10 10-23-2007, 07:36 PM

Yes, I would much rather stack off here against just the SB. I was pretty sure he was going to pot bet the flop no matter what.

I still don't think anyone in here has even remotely attempted to justify shoving here in terms of this actually making me money (on average). Yes, this is an awesome flop for my hand, I just don't think it's that good in this spot.

And BTW, in my unedited version of that post I was only upset with chucky for telling me to stop playing omaha. I think the rest of you are just wrong [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]