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Old 08-19-2007, 02:37 AM
EmpireMaker2 EmpireMaker2 is offline
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Default Difficult preflop spot

No real history with wynn but basically i just have to be ahead of him....What would your preflop priority be vs an unknown, anyone think folding or raising is much better than calling?

PokerStars Game #11566476377: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/19 - 01:22:54 (ET)
Table 'Spartacus' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: EmpireMaker2 ($1152 in chips)
Seat 2: jayzmo ($762.50 in chips)
Seat 3: 20 Buck Spin ($1643 in chips)
Seat 4: petiprince ($734.40 in chips)
Seat 5: wynn1365 ($1033 in chips)
Seat 6: mossyhorn ($1679 in chips)
petiprince: posts small blind $5
wynn1365: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EmpireMaker2 [Js Jd]
mossyhorn: raises $30 to $40
EmpireMaker2: calls $40
jayzmo: folds
20 Buck Spin: folds
petiprince: calls $35
wynn1365: raises $130 to $170
mossyhorn: calls $130
THA MAKER?????
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

fold > shove > call?
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

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fold > shove > call?

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just in terms of preflop... i think call > fold > shove
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

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fold > shove > call?

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just in terms of preflop... i think call > fold > shove

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yea, i agree. we have the best hand some tho prob not often and position.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

I kinda like a shove here...there is a lot of money in the pot and I think we get looked up very very light here.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

Shove.

Your hand is fairly strong and underrepresented, wynn could be squeezing with a range that you're far ahead of, and mossy is terrible if he's slowplaying a higher PP.
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

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fold > shove > call?

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just in terms of preflop... i think call > fold > shove

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I like call>shove>fold more.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default Re: Difficult preflop spot

I think it is very unlikely that someone tries a squeeze play against 3 players with the original raiser UTG. So I would put him on a strong range TT+/AK maybe AQs and if he is prepared to call your shove with this range you will be 45/55 small underdog, which is much better than I thought. Even against KK+/AK you’re still only a 40/60 underdog. With all the money that is already in the pott it is probably best to shove.

Shove > call > fold
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:24 AM
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The "call a standard raise, shove over a 3bet" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best".
Everyone else in the hand can pretty much play perfectly as a result. For that reason I'd prefer a call, although I think it's better to 3bet yourself in the first place.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:29 AM
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i mean i'd be all for shoving if the squeezer was a total idiot but vs most i think calling is best cause when stacks go in you will basically never be a favorite.
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