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Hit bottom set... am I good here?
3-way pot, with 2 villains, one deep, one average stacked.
Deep stacked villain in the CO is 22/13/4 in 300+ hands Average stacked villain in the BB is 46/11/2 in 100 + hands Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $49.15 Hero (MP): $71.90 CO: $145.10 BTN: $52.25 SB: $76.95 BB: $48.35 Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25 Flop: ($5.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $4</font>, BB calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $10, <font color="red">BB raises to $26</font>, Hero??[/i] Here I have third set, but look at the board. There is a straight possibility as well as oversets that could beat me. You also have 2 players that are willing to play for significant bets on a non-broadway, non-flush board. More importantly, look at the line the BB took on the flop. Check/Call/Raise?? How is this not a monster? And he has an AF of 2. Add in the deep stack whose hanging around, but with his raise/check/call line I think he's ready to fold. What do you do here? |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
lead flop. not one you want to slowplay. infact try not to slowplay.
shove with a fistpump. |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
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lead flop. not one you want to slowplay. infact try not to slowplay. shove with a fistpump. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
shove here, I think you might see 2 pair from BB and TP or a draw (OE) from CO.
If they do have 78 then you have a decent amount of outs |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
Can easily be JT, KQ. CO looks really weak, like AT. You should have led the flop. I think you are behind here rarely.
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
One thing to add here, The CO had an aggression factor of 4 but his Flop aggression factor was a 7. Also, he was pouncing on any post flop weakness every chance he had. I figured he'd put in a bet and he did.
I do agree that I normally need to lead that flop, but in this case it really was a special circumstance and wanted to break this guy of betting every hand since he was directly to my left. |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
Shove it and love it.
Lead the flop. If you are going to worry about set over set when you get resistance then you should stop playing small pp's |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
I'm very surprised that no one cares about the check/call/raise line in the face of aggression from the BB. How often do you see this? To me it screams STRENGTH!!! Especially 3-way when each of the other 2 players have raised on this street already.
That being said, I ignored my instinct, and said if I lose so be it, and I shoved. The CO folded like I expected and the BB called and turned over 10 10 for top set. Turn was a 9, to give both of us a boat, and the river was a 10 to give him quads, even though it didn't matter. I'm not surprised by all the votes for shoving, but am very surprised that no one expressed any reservations on this. |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
Average stacked villain in the BB is 46/11/2 in 100 + hands
and youre saying his line is always a hand you beat? ok sure, fold it and mutter when the muppet does it with AT, T9, T6, KT.... |
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Re: Hit bottom set... am I good here?
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Average stacked villain in the BB is 46/11/2 in 100 + hands and youre saying his line is always a hand you beat? ok sure, fold it and mutter when the muppet does it with AT, T9, T6, KT.... [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY... this was exactly my point, and I think it was missed in this thread. The snap call here is to always push. Can't yield to a muppet because then its time to hang it up then right? I agree with you, and thats why I did in fact push right there. But was this an auto-pilot call that was in error? Looking deeper, its very rare that a hand goes around on the flop three times. In this case, you had a player check/call/raise when there was no perceived weakness shown by any of the other opponents. In fact I had already check/raised in the hand, and tipped my hand that I had a monster, and his response was "Oh, you have a monster? Well then now its time to get the money in, and we're gonna play for stacks!!" I think this precludes those other hands. Now think of the possible monsters, there are only 4. 7 8 10 10 9 9 6 6 Mine is at the bottom of the list. Was this something that I should have reasonably seen, or was my auto-push still the standard move in a non-standard hand? |
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