Commerce hand

[Kirby99]

Commerce high stakes game.

Tight/solid player opens in MP, very good player 3 bets the small blind, I call 2 in BB with AQo

Flop J 10 4 rainbow, sb checks, I check, mp bets, sb folds and I call. Turn 8, I check/call. River offsuit Q. My play?

[daryn]

bet/fold seems to be the only option. he can't really raise the river with worse, and check folding sucks because, well why did you call the turn?

[DeathDonkey]

Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

-DeathDonkey

[gaming_mouse]

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Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

-DeathDonkey

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DD is this flop play standard?

[bugstud]

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Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

-DeathDonkey

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DD is this flop play standard?

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right price for a gutter, raising seems bad?

[gaming_mouse]

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right price for a gutter, raising seems bad?

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no way PP < 10 folds?

[bicyclekick]

bet fold and I don't think it's super close. He has to give you 2 pair on river and if he raises you it's strictly for value.

[Clarkmeister]

All this guy has done is bet when checked to after opening in MP.

[Kirby99]

A friend pointed out to me that this is an easy bet/fold on paper,and I agree with him. But it was a weird spot given the dynamics of this table and how the game was playing. The villain was pretty tight and solid, but aggressive when he did play a pot and capable of some tricky stuff, basically just a good high stakes player.

The problem I had is that if he raises the river I don't wanna fold. Because he was 3 bet preflop and then checked to and he bet, i think he needs to have a 9 in his hand to raise me on the river (99,J9, 10 9) So if he raises me, I think he is bluffing a fair amount of the time. He wouldn't raise the river with 2 pair or a set, as it looks like i could have 99 or maybe even AK, and he definitely doesn't have AK.

I'm rambling, but I'm just saying that he could bluff raise the river, so I don't wanna fold. But bet/calling sucks too.
Also, what's this guy gonna pay me off with?

[vmacosta]

Do you guys bet KQ if you're villain and OP checks to you on the river?