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Old 08-21-2007, 10:35 PM
Psydoc Psydoc is offline
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Default QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

Villain is 24/16/2 over 130 hands or so. I've not been sitting at the table too long, but have been somewhat active - got my stack by 3-betting a guy (not this villain) for the 2nd time and got it all-in with QQ on a low flop.

How's the turn shove?

Hero (SB): $956.60
BB: $481.20
UTG: $386.00
MP: $465.00
CO: $832.30
BTN: $414.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $52.00</font>, BB folds, MP calls $38.00

Flop: ($108) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $80.00</font>, MP calls $80.00

Turn: ($268) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $824.60</font> Villain has $333 left
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:06 PM
RestlessWind RestlessWind is offline
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

i'd rather just check without more history or something. why'd you push??
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

what do you expect to get called by that you beat? This seems bad to me. He likely has a weak pair, so I see no reason to blow him out of the pot like this.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

I don't really understand, what are we looking to make him fold out or what do we want him to call with?
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

Well, I'd shove here with pretty much my entire 3-bet range...so if he folds everything I beat here, that's just fine. But he may sometimes decide he has to look me up with JJ here. He also may have a FD on occassion, in which checking through is awful.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:44 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

I think you're missing value by playing it this way. I think checking is best.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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I think you're missing value by playing it this way. I think checking is best.

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And then...?
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:48 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

Value a king hit , why not bet 1/2 of villians stack?
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:36 AM
Janis N. Janis N. is offline
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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Well, I'd shove here with pretty much my entire 3-bet range...

[/ QUOTE ]That seems to give villain awfully good implied odds for calling your 3bets if you just keep betting afterwards.

If he's good then betting the turn is good as some have indicated as it looks like you are repping the K. A smaller bet may accomplish the same though.

But overall I'd just stackadonk here.
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