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Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
Villain is 16/0/0.5 after like 16 handes. I obviously haven't seen him do anything yet, but that's because he's basically really done nothing. Meh, 16 hands.
Ok, so this is a gross turn card as it hits a bunch of hands, many of which beat AQ. Regardless, AQ is still pretty strong here. I'm just sorta curious waht you guys think of three-betting here... Ok, so let's say I three-bet, what do I do if he 4-bets? Call and fold UI? -- Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>... |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
As played I'd call his cap and c/c the river UI. He would have pocket 9s or more likely he hit two pair like 89s or such.
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
dave, what do you put his range at on the turn and do you think you're ahead of that range (thus your 3bet)? i mean when you say aq is pretty strong here it's strong yes as in tptk but he's not showing up with 77 or at all that often here is he? maybe he has qj or two diamonds some of the time would be my hope.
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
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As played I'd call his cap and c/c the river UI. He would have pocket 9s or more likely he hit two pair like 89s or such. [/ QUOTE ] unless your opponent is a maniac, it is pretty much impossible for AQ to be good UI if you put 5 bets in on the turn and river. |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
:grunch:
I'd call down from the turn raise. You're sometimes getting raised by a worse Q, but this is a better hand more often I reckon. |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
I don't like the turn 3-bet. Villains at this level generally aren't tricky enough to semibluff check-raise the turn with a flush draw, which is about the only hand for villain to have where you would want to 3-bet. Most of the time, of course, he's got you beaten. If he's playing back at you with middle pair or a weaker Q, just call and let him bet the river; don't give him an easy fold.
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
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I don't like the turn 3-bet. Villains at this level generally aren't tricky enough to semibluff check-raise the turn with a flush draw, which is about the only hand for villain to have where you would want to 3-bet. Most of the time, of course, he's got you beaten. If he's playing back at you with middle pair or a weaker Q, just call and let him bet the river; don't give him an easy fold. [/ QUOTE ] Based on my experience giving him an easy fold should be the least of your worries, as most people at this level are unlikely to fold a pair or even an ace. Mack |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
Hmm, the turn must be closer to a flold than a 3-bet? I call down and expect to lose.
I have no idea what to do if you 3-bet and he caps but I cant see how you would not be drawing dead to a set or straight if he does so I think that would then be closer to a fold than a call. But you will get to showdown for the same price and with the bonus of potentially sucking out on 89. |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
might be fantasy land, but I was thinking something like this:
coming back to the reads, yeah, that's pretty much fantasy land. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 13,552 games 0.016 secs 847,000 games/sec Board: Qd 8d 5h 9s Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 58.161% 57.19% 00.97% 7750 132.00 { AdQs } Hand 1: 41.839% 40.86% 00.97% 5538 132.00 { 55+, AdKd, AQs, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, QTs+, Qd9d, Q8s, Q5s, JTs, Jd9d, J8s, Jd7d, Jd6d, J5s, T7s+, T5s, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, AQo+, KQo, Q8o+, Q5o, J8o+, T7o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o } |
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Re: Ugh, TPTK AQ on scary card checkraise
Keep playing with stove until you find a range that makes your play correct. :P (I used to do this)
Even if that was his range a 3 bet still probably isn't good since you can get capped, and if he's semibluffing he'll usually fire the river. Obviously his range is nowhere near that wide. |
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