As me about being a former swinger/sex freak

[bkholdem]

I used to frequent swing clubs and underground sex clubs. Ask me any questions you want about this.

[adsman]

Why did you stop going? Get bored? Got a girlfriend who didn't approve of you doing dirty deeds done cheap?

[bkholdem]

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Why did you stop going? Get bored? Got a girlfriend who didn't approve of you doing dirty deeds done cheap?

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I kind of stopped gradually. One place I went to a lot shut down. Then places in NYC started to shut down. I also always 'swang' alone, I didn't bring a chick with me. It's hard to get into most of the swing clubs without a chick on your arm and as I got into my 30's my body and looks started to ge a bit. It was a lot easier in my 20's to be one of the 'select males' allowed in.

Then I kind of morphed into doing PUA and got with that scene and went more mainline in getting chicks in bars (I did that a lot as well in my 20's but a lot of times my pref was a swing club or underground sex club). So I went more mainstream. Then I started to loose some interest and got a bit psychologically healthier. Then I fell in love.

I wrote about that in ElD's forum in the 'best day of your life thread' I think it makes for an interesting read that touches on this quesiton.

[Genz]

I hear that very often these clubs are frequented by middle age people, i.e. women that you wouldn't touch in your 20's. What were your chances that you actually meet a hot girl there and that she would agree to get it on with you? How often did you have to bang below average chicks to preserve your "club image" and remain welcome at the club?

[Genz]

Another one: Did you ever meet someone in such a club that you knew from your "day life"? Was it awkward? Would you seize the moment and have sex and then pretend that it never happend during daylight? Have you ever felt that you could be blackmailed by someone who saw you doing weird things there or who just knew that you visit such clubs?

[john voight]

How intimate you get w/ the guys there?
Like you ever touch a guy naked?

How many times you go to a party?

Wats the craziest thing you see?
Were you scared first?

Could you spot first timers?
Any chicks ever reject you @ a party?

Lots of MILFS?
What is the averag chick, a 7?
What is teh average dude, a kreep? Or just a regular guy you'd never guess was into this?

This make you into a PUA? Or were you gifted before?
Any rashes?

[bkholdem]

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Another one: Did you ever meet someone in such a club that you knew from your "day life"? Was it awkward? Would you seize the moment and have sex and then pretend that it never happend during daylight? Have you ever felt that you could be blackmailed by someone who saw you doing weird things there or who just knew that you visit such clubs?

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No, I never did meet anyone I knew. I discussed this with others out of this concern and was reassured because they told me that by 'telling on me' they would be also revealing that they themselves were there.

And it's not like I held a public office or anything (although one dude that was on the TV news used to show up at one place loaded from time to time lol)

[bkholdem]

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I hear that very often these clubs are frequented by middle age people, i.e. women that you wouldn't touch in your 20's. What were your chances that you actually meet a hot girl there and that she would agree to get it on with you? How often did you have to bang below average chicks to preserve your "club image" and remain welcome at the club?

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Really good question. Most of the on premises swing clubs that I visited were in NYC and FL for weekend trips or longer vacations. So I was not a regular at most places. And with these places there are couples that are also visiting from out of state, or from out of the country for that matter.

It is true that there are more females in their 30's and 40's than in their 20's overall. But they are mostly all good looking for their age. And when I was in my late teens and early 20's I acutally preferred women in their late 30's and early 40's os it was a bonus, not a sacrifice for me.

Add to that mix the fact that I was exhibitionistic and there was significant added pleasure being watched by a croud pounding the hell out of some chick, especiailly the looks on the other females faces [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

And there were females in their 20's there but to be honest, overall they were much more of a pain in the ass to deal with. They were much more into having men clamor over them for attention, something that is a turn off for me. I simply could not be bothered with that nonsense.

There was one extremely hot girl in one underground spot I used to go (she was brought there by her man as almost all women are although sometimes a small group comes alone, and at certain places real freaky chicks come alone) that would only blow me, and would not touch any other guy. If I was not there they would not do anything. And she was awesome! But after like the 4th or 5th time I was with her she and her hubby decided to ignore their rotine of hooking up with me when they first arrived and they went off and talked with some other guy. After like 1/2 hour she 'sent someone for me'. I blew her off! To hell with that, no chick gets to play a power trip over me. I will not be 'summoned' or be 'waiting on hand' for some chick! Many people were blown away when they heard I wasn't going to go with her anymore and that couple didn't come back there after that for over a year! hhahaa Several were pissed because they couldn't watch her give me head either hahahaa

And in any event, because of my status of fitting the qualities of desirability for these places, I would not be 'unwelcomed'. If I frequented a place with a small core group of the same people, say 8 or 10 of the same couples each party, with only occasional rotation and I didn't bang the chicks that wanted it it would probably develop into a problem, but I never went to the small house party swing clubs that are like that.

And at some places, and during some special events there are some extremely hot chicks there. Strippers, occasionally a porn star, there was even a very hot very famous celebrity at one club I was at once with her very famous husband, although intercourse was not allowed there. It was a kink club and lots of freaky stuff happened (you could sneak getting head too) but due to the ordinances intercourse/penetration was allowed. It was actually one of the better places I frequented in NYC despite that rule as some really hot sexual stuff would take place and some really hot women would be there, plus I got to get my exhibitionist issue off (like dancing in a cage like a stripper with a bunch of chicks sitting all around watching lol) and all sorts of other crazy stuff...

[Stagger_Lee]

What motivated you to get out of bed in the morning?

[bkholdem]

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What motivated you to get out of bed in the morning?


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The same things that motivate other human beings to get out of bed in the morning.