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Old 09-03-2007, 11:26 AM
redCashion redCashion is offline
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Default NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

I had a pretty donkish villain at 1/2 NL on Stars last night, I ran him over early and then he pretty much evened it up. But this was his tactic, and I'd like some advice on dealing with it.

A) Play 60% of all hands, limp about half of them on the button.
B) When faced with a raise after a button limp, snap call. Proceed to snap call the flop and turn 80% of the time. If it's checked to him, minbet and snapcall a raise. Call a triple barrel with bottom pair on board even though I'd only been bluffing at small pots.

So how do I adjust?

* Putting pressure on him didn't seem to work because he wasn't being moved off pots.

* Tightening up didn't seem to work because I was playing so many limped pots with him out of position, but c/f seemed really week to do over and over since I wasn't making any hands. So I felt obliged to make moves on some pots, which kept ending futilely since he would call me down so light.

Essentially he was an ideal opponent, because he would call my raises in position with hands like 26o and give me great value on 2 or 3 streets of betting when I hit. He would also allow me to see tons of flops for free, and again pay me off if I hit. But when I stopped hitting, his calling station ways became very frustrating and I probably tilted off half a buyin just trying to win a pot.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

Value bet more, bluff less. LDO
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

Ya, great thanks. It just gets hard to value bet when you can't make a hand, and it's hard to concede dozens of hands in a row. Dealing with these guys is easy in 6max, but I'm new to HU and had a hard time adjusting to playing so many more hands with a guy like this.
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

Remember that 1bb still only equals 1bb. Don't get caught up in thinking that you have to steal his limps. Conceding 10 small hands in a row and losing maybe 30bb is worth it when you actually hit and he calls down 2-3 barrels with [censored].

Also try keeping the pot small until you make a hand. Maybe you have 87 out of position in a limped pot and the flop is 246. Don't go crazy. Maybe stick out a couple mini blocking bets. Against a good player you probably wouldn't do this, but it's about adjusting to your opponents.
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:20 PM
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I also played one guy like that and I have a theory about how to deal with him. Calling stations call until the river. On the river they usually fold, because they don't make hands when they call double barrell with 34 on K72 flop for example.

So, I decided to raise a lot of pots preflop, even OOP. If I didn't hit the flop, I checked until the river where I made a bet or not. If I hit, then I bet the whole pot on all streets, maybe even overbet all in on the river.

The only problem with this strategy is that these people don't value bet. So I waited until the river to bluff him and he called me with a top pair, which he hit it on the flop. So I stopped bluffing him and it is nothing wrong if you just don't bluff him.

So - raise preflop (with all kind of hands - even suited connectors and other stuff), if you hit, you fire multiple barrells, if not, just check it until the end. The problem with only limping is that you can't make a lot of money. Even calling stations don't call an overbet a lot.

This is just a theory, so please, don't berate me if you feel it is stupid but I feel it should work.

How do you like my theory?
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

your theory sucks. seriously it isn't hard to beat these people. limp a lot on the button with your other marginal hands since they don't raise and just value bet them like crazy.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:57 AM
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I have the same problem. I guess the simple answer is to wait for a hand and go to valuetown, but it's much easier said than done when you're not making hands. Also, it's hard for me to raise pre then just check the hand down and leave 6 BB on the table hand after hand.
With these types of players I have been raising about 80% from the button and anything decend from the BB. This is so when I do make a hand I can get way better value out of the three bullets. How do you feel about that?
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:12 AM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

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I have the same problem. I guess the simple answer is to wait for a hand and go to valuetown, but it's much easier said than done when you're not making hands. Also, it's hard for me to raise pre then just check the hand down and leave 6 BB on the table hand after hand.
With these types of players I have been raising about 80% from the button and anything decend from the BB. This is so when I do make a hand I can get way better value out of the three bullets. How do you feel about that?

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This is exactly what I adviced. My theory. It worked for me.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: NL Cash - how to deal with calling stations

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I probably tilted off half a buyin just trying to win a pot.

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yeah, vs. these guys, don't bluff and don't tilt
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