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10-08-2007, 09:36 PM
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Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
I was playing $1/2 NLHE and at the river I had an Ace hi flush on a paired board. I checked the flush and the LP player moved all-in. I agonized for a while and I turned my hand up. I got the feeling from my opponent he did not like what he saw, so I called, and beat his straight.
After shoving the chips to me. the dealer warned me that 'some dealers' would DQ me from the pot and I shouldn't do that because it takes away from the 'integrity of the game'. In addition she said it was an underhanded way to get a read on your opponent. My reaction was 'WTF?'. Later I talked to one dealer who I have a lot of respect for and he said their mgmt does not like that sort of thing and they are trying to discourage it. Still not satisfied I talked to one of the floor supervisors and he said they consider it a form of angle shooting and that the floormen were unanimous in that opinion. I said to him that Doyle Brunson even said this was a good tactic to do in his book SuperSystem and that Doyle is known world-wide as a ethical player. The floorman's response was that Doyle played in a lot of private games where this was not an issue.... I chose not to argue with him anymore. Being in my B&M rookie season, I would like to know your opinion on this. Please answer the following poll.... 
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#3
10-08-2007, 09:53 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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I've run into a few guys who do this, I turn my head and call the clock on them. [/ QUOTE ] For this cardroom the start the clock automatically when you do this. I got my 'feeling' he did not like my hand within the first 2 seconds so the clock was not a factor for me...
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10-08-2007, 09:56 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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You are a douche. Not unethical, but a douche. [/ QUOTE ] Yes....me and Doyle are both douches. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#6
10-08-2007, 10:01 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
Dealer told you X. Another dealer told you X. Floor told you X. What the poll says does not matter. If you play in their house, play by their rules. P.S. You were going to fold the nut flush on a paired board at $1/2 ?
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10-08-2007, 10:12 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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P.S. You were going to fold the nut flush on a paired board at $1/2 ? [/ QUOTE ] Depends on the player. There are some rocks in that room where I would fold my hand. I never played with this guy before. He moved all-in twice before during the session with the nuts so I had to give him some respect. But once I turned my hand up, it was as if I felt his fear magically radiate from him. It was a powerful and enlightning experience for me..... [ QUOTE ] If you play in their house, play by their rules. [/ QUOTE ] Well this is self evident.... My point was Doyle Brunson has one postion on this matter while this card room has the opposite view. So I'm getting conflicting opinions on the matter. I'm just trying to glean wisdom from other B&M veterans in this forum. I will be taking a vacation to Las Vegas in a few months so the Choctaw Card Room rules may or may not apply.... Perhaps I may go to the Atlantic City card rooms someday as well.... Or Foxwoods. So I would like to get a general view on this matter. This tactic worked out well for me so I would like to do it again....if the rules allow...
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#9
10-09-2007, 12:44 AM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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If you play in their house, play by their rules. [/ QUOTE ] From my understanding, it's not a rule there. It is a rule at some places.
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#10
10-11-2007, 02:07 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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You are a douche. Not unethical, but a douche. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Are you kidding or just couldn't come up with a reasoned answer? He is not a douche and this has nothing to do with ethics. It is either a rule or not. Lets say this is a rule and the first violation results in a warning. If the OP knew the rule and knew that the first violation would result in a slap on the wrist (but he still wins the pot) then yes, he would have an ethical issue and would be a douche. But this crap about rooms discouraging it is asinine. The room either has a rule or doesn't. The player believes that showing his card may help him in gathering information then he should show anytime he feels like it HU.
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